There was a story on this site in the news to the right that outlined exactly what happened with photos. Sanchez had started his slide. If Moore hadn't been pushed back into him, the but fumble doesn't happen. I know it's fashionable to blame Sanchez for everything including your blocked toilet, but was clearly Greene's fault and Moore quit on he play too early. When he did, he was pushed back. I tried to find the link to last weeks story, but not sure how to go back that far.
Give me a break. Blaming Sanchez decision-making for blowing one play doesn't mean I blame Sanchez for everything that's wrong with the franchise. If you scan the Pro/Anti-Sanchez threads, you'd notice I'm rarely even participating in those threads. Nothing you've stated disputes anything I've put up questioning his decision-making on that particular play. Believe it or not, there was more than one busted play in the NFL. Unfortunately, I don't have an article though so it's up to you to decide whether that's believable. My stance is that it is not normal behavior in the NFL for QB to run into the trenches and slide. Especially when there's ample time to throw the ball away.
There are way too many posters that feel the need to support their posts with confirmations from their other screen names. It's very typical of these type message boards. Whether you are one of them or not, I don't know. I also don't keep a score card of who posts what. There is proof positive your assertions on the butt fumble are 100% wrong. The play was obviously not Sanchez' fault on the first two tiers. The first fault was Greene's for screwing up a dive play by heading in the wrong direction. Second fault was Moore's for not maintaining his block, giving up on the play and getting used like a cheap whore. The only fault Sanchez had was fumbling. We criticize him everything! The fact is, HE HAD NO ONE TO THROW TO. It was a dive play, which means his two WRs were run blocking. MS tried to get back to he line of scrimmage. His slide would have accomplished that. Watch the play and you will see what everyone without an axe to grind saw. Sanchez is not Manning, Rodgers, etc. his decision making on every other play last year is not being discussed. The only play being discussed is the butt fumble and I can't find any fault of his except coughing it up. His decision process on this play was perfect for what he had to work with.
They just showed the play on the Jets show. at the start of the play Moores head is inside of Wilfork, but while Sanchez is moving into the. Gap. Wilfork realizes the play whips his head inside, sensing the block and literally throws Moore at Sanchez. Who had tried to go down, as the hole collapsed. Id like anyone to hold on to a ball while getting Brandon Moore dropped on them Moore was too upright for Leverage and Wilfork tosses him like a rag doll. It was Ian Eagles sour of the moment call, that made it infamous.
Yes, he was. They just showed it on Jets Nation. Hes upright and Wilfork sensing the gap tosses him like a rag doll.
I try to block that stupid play out of my mind but I will say it gets a little over-emphasized. It wasn't any more embarrassing to me than Mcknights fumble on the ensuing kickoff! What is more embarrassing is overall how many times Sanchez turns the football over. He's had way worse and pathetic interceptions than that overrated fumble. He's a joke in this league not because of that one play unfortunately, but because we see that shit weekly!!! And Hobbes give me a friggin break you are arguing like a lunatic. I don't care if Moore was 25 yards deep in the backfield or if Sanchez got hit by a Mack Truck.. He still fumbled like he always does. Hang onto to fucking football for once and that's a broken play for a yard loss..
Likema lunatic. When a 300 pund guy tosses another three hundred pound guy on top of you mod slide, O guess youd hold on to the ball. ManlyMan. I only got to see the pkay slow mo today. The fact is sanchez was heading behind the tackle, and got a 300 pund guy tossed on him. And Sanchez is not a running back. But the whole buttfumble monniker is bass ackwards. If Moore doesnt get tossed like a two dollar ho, its between a no gan or three yards. The first clie, is helmet position and direction. Keller, blocks roght. Tackle pwers straight ahead. Moore blocks left....hmmm where is that ball going to go? That was a designed delay draw, When wilfork gets his head back inside after reading Moores block, Sanchez slides..which seems to indicate he knew what he was looking for...its Moore that gets beat horrifically.
lol so now we're defending him the butt fumble in which Sanchez stated he forgot the play The trolling has now hit rock bottom
Where does Mark say, he forgot the play? http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2012/11/mark_sanchez_embarrassed_by_no.html Sanchez isn't a guy to throw a teammate under the bus. No one is trying to defend MS.
I'm not going to put the blame solely on Sanchez. Also Wilfork has made a career of dominating guys on the inside so while it was a bad play by Moore, it happens. Just a very bad set of circumstances.
He says it in the entire press conference. If I'm feeling energetic later I'll look for it and post a link
boy this thread got HIGHJACKED! In other News, Jake Scott dosent seem to be a good fit IMO. His run blocking is a question mark but his pass blocking is superb. I just dont see the Jets going this direction as they already have a finess tackle on the left side and the right side is usually the power side. I would like to see us either re-sign Moore on the cheap, kick Colon to LG and keep Vlad on the bench or start Colon at RG and VD at LG and draft a guard higher (we will need ot draft one either way). The Slauson thing kind of hurts as he could play C and BOTH guard spots.
You're right about the hijack. I do admit to being part of that & apologize. Back to Jake Scott: It really comes down to what their draft strategy is. Will they target Guard in the first three rounds? If so, then I think we could accept Jake Scott as a cheap backup. Another idea I've seen kicked around which is very interesting: 1) Upgrade RT with early pick. 2) Have Colon take wither LG or RG 3) Whatever spot Colon skipped, Vlad & Howard & cheap FA compete. Howard was a huge improvement over WFH but there's still plenty of room between him & the all-pro level RT play. With Austin Howard hitting FA next season, Idzik might wanna take the initiative and jump on a good RT prospect. ========== I admit to not having much knowledge of his game & trying to piece it together through google. http://thejetsblog.com/nyjets/jake-scott-visits-the-jets/ <-- State he's been in MM system before which is a big plus. I'm glad that you're able to bring up his pass blocking skills. Perhaps his bad run blocking can be hidden between Mangold & D'Brickashaw? Slauson definitely had some holes in his game but I feel he wasn't exposed too badly because of the players he had sitting on each shoulder.
interesting idea on moving Howard to G. If that was the case we would have a HUGE line, not too keen on a 6'7 and 6'6 guard tandom however (passing lanes). If that does play out, who would be there at 9 as a RT? Lane Johnson?
I don't think signing a guard from the worst oline in football last year is a smart move. IMO, they should look to the draft or bring in someone with more upside potential.
Understand your point but I'm not so sure we can put a big red X on everybody from their OL. Even with Mangold & D'Brick, that Jets OL struggled big time with WFH stinking it up over @ RT. Also, if he's brought in, I don't think Jake Scott would be given a starting job like Colon. As soon as Colon showed up, we all know he's going to start in one of the Guard positions no matter who we draft. Jake Scott could compete for starting job, lose out & simply provide backup duties for one season. That's also a pretty good role for Jets (as long as he's cheap). He'd be a backup who's already played under the new OC. I'm still not convinced Vlad should be blindly handed the starting or backup duties @ Guard.
Alright this is pure speculation that I'm literally pulling out of thin air. What do you think about Kyle Long in the 2nd round? I think Kyle Long can be a tackle & guard. Kyle Long will then compete with Howard for RT & loser between them (who I believe will be Howard) is pushed to compete with Vlad & Jake Scott for the leftover Guard starting spot. If Jets were to establish a rotation at Guard again, Jake Scott can be the man for when they fall behind & resorting to mainly passes. If Colon gets injured mid-season, you're still good because you've got something decent to plug in.
