2 years ago might have been Mark's best season. He finished very poorly but Schotty was having him throw 60 times a game and he was banged up. He still had 32 TDs that season. 26 passing 6 rushing. His highest completion % and yards total. Last year was just so bad that it started to make his previous years look worse too.
You also have to remember how 2011 ended and then this past year. 2011 ended on some really poor team play and really poor QB play (must win game in Miami)
In the NFL it's very easy to rack up lots of yd's, td's and a good completion during extensive garbage time. I also thought we had a very easy schedule. But I've said it many times, Sanchez lost me for good in the 2011 game against the Raiders. I saw a lack of killer instinct that all the really good QB's possess. I thought that game is where Sanchez started to lose a little bit of that swagger he had the first two seasons.
I guess trying to develop Mark into a franchise system pocket passer that can put the team on his back and win games was a mistake. I liked him better out of college running head first into line backers for 7 points, dancing around the backfield avoiding 3 certain death sacks on the same play while swinging the ball around like a loaf of bread, then zinging it 40 yards for the game winning throw. I'd be happy if he was trained this time to be himself more, improvise some, scramble some, become the NFLs best game manager happy to hand off 30 times and throw 20 safe throws and happy to score a few TD's and a few FGs then turn it over our teams true strength, Rex and his merry band of lunatics to close it out.
Lets see Foley, O'Donnell, Reich, Nagle etc etc it can get a lot worse. Mark is not nearly as bad as you make him out to be there are plenty of worse Qbs. Mark has also proven he can win in the playoffs and not just win but play well and be a factor. All under Schotty a very average OC Year 1 - Mark was a rookie and played like it but all in all played well for a rookie. Year 2- Mark led the team to 11-5 with a few comeback wins. Up and down season played great in the playoffs. Mark was progressing Year 3- Best statistical year lost 90% of his weapons lost. (Can you say Mason and Plax) played up and down struggled down the stretch. Lets not forget about WFH we all like to conveniently forget about the reality. Year 4- Every single receiver was hurt everyone and they all sucked. Playing QB is about timing that is why the receivers and QB spend so much time in the off-season throwing to each other. Lets not worry about the facts lets look at stats. Mark was put in a No win situation last year and guess what he did not win. Those are the excuses but Mark has responsibility also- The fumbling is just ridiculous and needs to be fixed. Some of it is trying to throw the ball away ala New England (stupid) some is just ball security. The INTs I am not worried about most will be fixed with a competent OC. Why people think this is not important is beyond me with a defensive HC the OC has to be very very good. What also concerns me about Mark is when he goes bad he goes really bad. This is where most of the criticism comes from he does not seem to recover from an INT his fault or not he just forces more and throws more. What I saw was QB trying to hard to make plays and when you try to hard everything goes accuracy smarts etc. This is also why I think coaching will make a huge difference with Sanchez and the WC scheme. When Marks gets hot he can make throws that make you say wow. The west coast offense is designed to get a QB into a rhythm. 2 AFCC games and the worst weapons and OC in football warrants another chance for Sanchez. As I said all along he has to beat out Garrard and he has to play well to keep his Job.
That"........nobody wants to talk about wayne Hunter, brian Schottenheimer, or injuries. You have a very servicable QB, that has a HISTORY OF MAKING BIG TIME PLAYS IN BIG TIME SPOTS. You camt teach that. And his warts are coachable. Watch what happens when MM gets the ball out in three seconds or less. (like Sparano dod in weeks 1 and 11) And...one more thing...i dont think its possible to overestimate the connection Kerley developed in the face of all the injuries last year. Put him in the slot, and by week 3....all the haters will be saying....Dustin who?
He seemed to fit the Eli, Romo, Big Ben mold. Extend plays with his feet, hold onto the ball too long/force throws because you are always looking for the big play. That was his ceiling, who knows if he gets there even if we let him do that. We definitely rushed him, but we also see that he does have bad habits that come up too often, and when bad things happen, he lets them compound over and over again. He lost his resiliency he used to have. He seems to be scared to make a mistake now which leads to making more mistakes since he hesistates, double clutches, and looks nervous Coming up in big spots can come and go. It's not some magical inherent quality. Statistically there is no indication that winning one possession games can be reliably counted on to keep occurring year after year in the NFL. I mean look at MIA in 2011 or TEN this year. 7 picks in 2 must win games. You do realize in week 11, against STL, we only asked Sanchez to throw the ball 20 times? That's not a recipe for success, that's how you hide a QB and let your defense and ST and run game win you the game. +Nick Folk kicked and made 2 51 yard field goals that game! +1st and goal at the 5 up 6, we run the ball 3 times, Greene, McKnight, and Powell. +Then up 13 with 1st and 10 from the 14 we ran it 3 times, Powell, Powell, Powell for the TD. +Our one passing TD was a great play design and Chaz and Sanchez connecting when Chaz was WIDE open.
The interception down on the goal line was just killer in that one. Ball thrown into double-coverage with a third guy in the area also. That's one of the moments where I first thought that Sanchez maybe just wasn't going to get it before he got run out of town. Then the Mangold injury which left him with no protection for a couple of games and things just spiraled down from there.
For TEN though, down late in the 4th, in scoring range, Mark throws a pass off his back foot and floats it up so long 3-4 TEN defenders have a chance to pick it off. Except he managed to throw it on 3rd and short 5 times, meaning 25% of his throws were off of a play where or a run or pass could have happened. Also, STL shouldn't be pointed to as a great way for us to win with Sanchez. The offensive gameplan was to have Sanchez not mess anything up. Basically, the gameplan we had when he was a rookie. That's not a game you can point to and say "That's how we win more with Sanchez". No that's how you win more with any QB, run the ball well, play great defense, and hit two 50 yards field goals. Sanchez's best trait shouldn't be "we know how to game plan around him". The STL game is being discussed because of "Watch what happens when MM gets the ball out in three seconds or less. (like Sparano dod in weeks 1 and 11)" this comment. STL is not a good game indicative of Sanchez, not sure why it's brought up. A better game would be the 1st NE game, the drive when we were down 10 I think.
I can't and won't defend the Tennessee game (only in the fact what a horrible called game) or the Arizona game Mark just played horrific. Watch that Miami game in which most said he played horrible. Watching those highlights I can't say he played horrible. He made a couple bad throws but also his receivers dropped a few passes. Mark moved well in the pocket and made some clutch throws. The missed big plays where on the receiver a drop and pull up by Hill. If Marks receivers stayed healthy he would have had a good year. Watching Mark in a game like that makes me think he can be successful with a good OC and Scheme. Watching the Tennessee game and the Arizona game I feel like the truthbtold. Before we throw him away with the bath water I want to see what Marty can do with him. The O-line already looks better and if the receivers stay healthy they will be better. The running back situation has gotten better and free agency just started. Make no mistake I will give Mark a leash but it will not be a long one. I would draft a QB in the later rounds and if Mark sucks draft another QB high in 2014 if we do not catch lightning in the bottle with are late QB pick. I do not think 2013 is blow off year. I think the AFC is weak and depending what the Jets do in the draft and the rest free agency will be contending for a playoff spot. Which is why you bring in Garrard if Mark sucks again. There is no way the offense can be as bad as last season it is just not possible. Coples will take a huge jump this year it will make Wilkerson even more dangerous and Ellis will be better than Pouha was last year. OLB is already better I don't think Revis is going anywhere we just need a couple of safeties and the defense is top 10 again. Coples growth makes are run D much better also. We were horrible last year and won six games and might have won a couple more. This team will be in the playoff hunt late once again if they stay healthy.
Some good, and some bad. Want to know what drives me nuts about Mark Sanchez? Skip to 9:09. http://youtu.be/quso_1Rb3aw?t=9m7s It's overtime. He's got the ball around his own 49. It's second and ten. Sanchez mishandles the snap. Nobody is open. Instead of just eating a sack, he tries to throw the ball (where?) and almost gets picked off which would have lost the game for the Jets. Why can't he just quit on that play? Throw it away, not into the middle of the field. Eat the sack if you have to. Protect the ball and make sure you get a chance at third down and to play defense if you fail there. Damn. He needs some better coaching. Like this: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7Tm7NePNroQ
They called better pass plays in St.L and he completed 75%. thats an exemplary game. And FWIW, twonthrows hit receivers in the hands, (McKnight,Hill) and on a third the CB made a Revis play on Gates knocking it away. 3 of those completes were for 18, a wheel route to McKnight in stride over the outside shoulder, a 25 yard TD to Schillens, and a 2nd and 16 for 32 to Kerley, no Yac. And Hill lost another TD catch in the lights, that was delivers perfectly while getting demolished. Try actually watching the tape.From a Quarterbacking perspective, that game was almost perfect, considering the OL couldnt keep him clean.
Is Mark Sanchez finally getting benched for good ? - i hope so. Hopefully we'll have a more productive qb on our roster. As of today; we don't.
Just saw this on ESPN today. http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/9070314/rex-ryan-makes-clear-new-york-jets-qb-job-grabs
Now comp % matters? Before it's if "he completed 2 more passes each game he hits 60%". But that game is not perfect team game! You can't survive in this day and age of football by only throwing 20 times a game. It's a not a consistently successful strategy. You need to trust your QB to make more plays and not try to hide him. It was what we used in our first and part of our second year with Mark. Use the PA to set him up with time and easy passes. At some point you need to just be able to let your QB throw! We saw that in the NE game down 10. We used to see it in 2010 when our best drives were in the 2 minute offense. At some point your QB needs to be able to just throw the ball. That's why I don't think STL is a very good game to point to and say "that's a great game, or that's how we win with Mark". You aren't going to win very many games that way. You need to be able to open up the offense with your QB, something again, we only saw once or twice in 2012. The PITT game first drive I think and the NE game down 10. We saw it a lot more in the first half of 2011. MArk wasn't asked to do much. With where we picked him and what we need on this team, we need our QB to do a lot more, especially if the run game is hurting. That's why I'm excited to see MM. He made both Kolb and Vick look like QBs who can make plays to win games. Something we haven't enough of from Sanchez since 2010. That's what we saw some of in 2011 and rarely saw in 2012. Someone who is a threat and defenses have to worried about.
I'll answer that because as a good fan I tried to stay supportive of the team and the FO's decisions. I researched the O system Sparano used and it seemed defined as opposed to Schitty's Frankenstein WCO/Hybrid/WingT whatever the fuck he used. I was wrong. I ate the crow. Sanchez looked putrid but I am well aware of the crumbling ship around him. You can have the best drummer in the world but if the lead singer sounds like Erkel, you aren't gonna be headlining any arenas. That's pretty much what happened to Snatchez (misspelled intentionally). Sanchez is not a good Qb and he needs to be/should be/probably will be replaced. That doesn't mean he can't succeed under MM. And we should be hoping for him to succeed under MM's WCO. But as Blocker had mentioned about my previous post, having him succeed takes away a lot of the restrictions this team has - salary cap, bringing in FA QBs etc. That doesn't mean we shouldn't look for a replacement QB or disregard the potential for a better franchise QB, but that means our next QB can sit behind Sanchez for a year or two and what for the opportunity while learning the O system in place. Its not a matter of blindly supporting Sanchez because he's Mexican, or gets laid a lot, its because I want this fucking team to win and Mark becoming a successful QB accelerates that process. If he fails yet again (which I am expecting) then 2014 will be 2009 all over again.
Its not just completion percentage, though...yes that matters a great deal. It means the ball is going to your guys. However, its alos in context to the position they put him in. In that game, they ran too high a percentage on first down, then let Tebow fail on Second down. They put him in bad spots all day long, and he came in at 75%, with two drops, a missed touchdown for an Inc, and at least three big throws. And the other point its easy to ascertain i. That game, is you see the game MM will call, versus what Schottenheimer calls. Bradford got abused in that game by 4 second pass plays, designed for one yard over the LoS, including the Eric Smith int. That game, in and of itself, shows Sanchez upside, and the ball and chain he operated under prior to last season. Steven Jackson, and Amendola....and Schitty wants to go outside...rmfe. You cant put it on Sanchez, that ST.L gave up field position all day. At yhe end of the day, he was aked to bail out the running game for the first 50 minutes...and did. Thats his upsode. Conversely Arizona is the downside, I get that. But, my thought is, a properly constructed passing game will utilize his strengths, and help mitigate decisions that erupt when he holds the ball too long. Hes not like Raplesberger in that respect.
