Excellent article on gang green nation.

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  1. tbruner12

    tbruner12 Well-Known Member

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    I can see Revis performing at a lower performance level for a potential reason. first if he isn't the same he will opt out somehow, use the year as more recovery and conditioning to be ready for his payday year.
    If the pay day year isn't lived up to in order to meet the money he demands, then the NFL teams know what to pay him and it would be a matter of Revis wanting to be on a different team for the money or team situation, aka contender or not. The jets may evaluate him and say "for the money he wants with the skills he has left, let him walk". We don't know.
    Best case scenario for us is some team believing he will be very close to him being himself formerly speaking, and need his 80-100% abilities in their system in order to put that team in a better situation than they are now. Both superbowls participants and maybe a couple more playoff teams could make a push for him believing that his skills will put them over the top.
    I'd say we will be seeing Revis this year, and if he performs like himself that likely hood could increase that we trade him before next years draft. I'd say someone would bite on a 3rd or 4th this post season heading toward the draft.
     
  2. Hobbes3259

    Hobbes3259 Well-Known Member

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    You can get a 2 for him.

    That allows you to draft two good young OLBs and a RB in the first 60 picks.

    Fair value is relative, and fair value for a CB is not where his contract demands are.

    I know it would be considered collusion, but owners need to reset the fair market value that Crazy Uncle Al distorted with the Aso deal.

    It is what it is.
     
  3. Hobbes3259

    Hobbes3259 Well-Known Member

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    No extension, he develops a hammy problem by week 3.
     
  4. ajax

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    #1 - We can restructure by spreading the salary cap hit this season over multiple seasons.
    Let's just deal with the bitter medicine now in year 1 of the new GM & get this over with. Stop spreading the garbage over multiple seasons.

    #2 - Nobody is truly untradeable. Yes, of course we know that. How likely are they to be traded without bringing back the equivalent headache or cap drama? That's the big question.

    #3 - If they do step #1, they'll have money for FA. This is what I don't want to do. This BS has to stop. This isn't a playoff team, why spread some of these salary cap pains into future years?

    #4 - Affording Revis isn't impossible. Is this a back handed insult? Most of the trade Revis camp knows it's possible to retain him. The question is whether he's worth the amount of money he's asking for. Will you have the resources to build the rest of your team after dropping so much of the salary cap into one CB for so many years.

    #5 - Sanchez can be restructured to help with Revis negotiations. Fuck that. Same logic I used earlier. Stop spreading the salary cap pain & just get it over with.

    # 6 - Finally, I agree with this guy. Revis is NOT bringing back a boat load of picks. Some posters are really crazy when they post how they want multiple first rounders for him. As if trading Revis one year before he goes unrestricted FA (after a season ending injury) can give you enough free picks to rebuild the entire franchise.

    # 7 - Good point & really glad he brought it up. I thought Revis brings a 3rd compensatory pick no matter what. Looks like the floor just got much lower when it comes to trading Revis.

    # 8 - I'm in agreement with this. Too many teams feel that the money guaranteed out must result in roster space or playing time. I'm beginning to think this is more of a job preservation thing by GM and/or Coaches though.

    # 9 - Not an issue for me. I know some others are really bothered by this topic though.

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    Don't agree with some of the major points. I do NOT wanna escape cap hell by spreading some of these bad salary cap hits over multiple seasons. This is more short-term thinking for this team.
     
  5. RevisIsland18

    RevisIsland18 Well-Known Member

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    pretty good read - cleared up some confusion i had about how signing bonus worked - didnt know it was prorated over x amount of years.
     
  6. TNJet

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    Looking forward to June 1st.
     
  7. Footballgod214

    Footballgod214 Well-Known Member

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    As far as trading Revis, the only teams that would bite are teams that face a Tom Brady or Peyton Manning or Megatron on a regular basis.

    Teams that face a Mark Sanchez or Stephen Hill would probably save their money to upgrade their Cheer Squad.
     
  8. Zach

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    What was the point of that long-winded idiocy? That Jets can mortgage the future and get a lot of cap relief this year? That, provided these players are dumb enough to restructure the deal to mitigate the cap hit, then Jets can trade these players? That Jets can do all sorts of contract hocus pocus at the cost of future cap and keep Revis?

    Just what did I miss?
     
  9. ArmandJ

    ArmandJ Well-Known Member

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    I guess you missed the whole section as to why we can't trade Revis right as the trading period opens....
     
  10. tank75

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    or the part about how these are only suggestions about plaers like sanchez and holmes, and the core players that we are planning on keeping long term would be a good idea to restrucure to give us cap relief.

    its not mortgaging the future. i love how one gm makes bad decisions and all of a sudden everything he did was terrible. restructuring players can lessen their cap hit and make them easier to trade with a lower base salary. it can be a good tool in managing the cap if you expect to keep players for the long term (mangold, brick, harris, revis or cro) want to keep free agents (landry, bell, edwards), and want to make contracts more trade friendly (sanchez, holmes).

    its just an example of one move that the team can make to free up a lot of cap space.

    and yes, it gives a lot of insight into the revis situation. id imagine that he is going to play at least a couple of games as a jet if he is even traded, its possible they can work out some sort of deal with bonuses and long-term enough that revis will feel comfortable signing it and retiring a jet. hes said that is what he wants, let him take a deal that makes that a possibility.

    the article is not a piece of long-winded idiocy, it brings up some points regarding the team that help paint a realistic view at the moves they might make this offseason. the revis trade being a hot topic, those rumors are likely quelled at least for the moment, so long as the numbers match up. not a bad article at all.
     
  11. skipper

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    To clarify certain things for fans who mostly talk out of their a$$es?

    Thanks for posting it. I, for one, can read a few paragraphs on a subject that interests me without letting ADD get in the way.
     
  12. phatnols

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    look in a dictionary and see what the word prorated means. its over the terms of the contract. You are pretty funny or ..... I wont use the harsh words
    3 yr deal- 3 yrs prorated

    5 yr deal 5 yrs prorated

    6+ only 5 yrs prorated due to the cba

    but a 3rd grader knows the definition of prorated. or a simple google dictionary search.
     
  13. JETS2013

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    Excellent article. I admit, I fell victim to two of those myths. Things aren't as bad as I thought but it's still up to Jet leadership not to steer us into an iceberg.
     
  14. Barcs

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    We don't even know what Revis wants at this point. There's been plenty of speculation, but nothing concrete. Revis is off his rocker if he believes he's going to get a mega contract fresh off an injury before proving he can play at that level again. If a Revis deal happens it will be mid year.

    Good article, btw. It pretty much craps all over the sensationalist claims made by the media and by the fans on here :lol:
     

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