We all know that the Final 4 rule made it significantly more difficult for the Jets to bring in quality players after reaching two straight AFC Championship games. How much of an impact did it have on our past two seasons? Did the final 4 rule play a large role in our current lack of depth / talent? What do you think?
The primary factor was the biggest fault in Tannembaum's stewardship, oversight of the draft. We traded away too many picks and spent too many unwisely on high-risk project picks.
none. if anything that was a blessing in diguise. it really handcuffed tanny from throwing $ around at f.a.'s imagine the cap problem we would have if he had free reign. the depth chart looks bad because sanchez isn't living up to his contract. ducasse was 2nd round pick who hasn't started k.w. is behind cro and revis so it looks like a wasted 1st round pick woody was never replaced by a rt of the same quality, i think howard can be good but not at his level greene was a 2nd rounder who is just above a JAG hill was hurt so there is another draft pick that didn't contribute keller has been up and down andmight not come back there were only 3 draft picks selected in 2009 gholston was a huge bust in 2008 and they are still trying to fill that need. 2012's draft only yielded 2 players that are expected to be players going forward. most of the class was cut/practice squad bound in t.c. thats all i can think of off the top of my head. bottom line. draft a few solid players every year and the depth starts building. try to hit home runs and the depth suffers but you can hide that some with your home run picks. unfortunately tanny always swung for the fences and never connected
The roster since 2008 was too dependent on veteran imports to begin with. A lot of the same players that were blamed for failures in 2012 (e.g., the whole LB corps) were critical players on the 2009 and 2010 playoff teams. The Jets didn't need to add more risk of aging players. Compared to say, baseball players, football players have much shorter careers to begin with. The high-spending mentality was never a sustainable formula given the current structure of the NFL.
2009: Jets, Colts, Vikings, Saints 2010: Jets, Steelers, Packers, Bears No, I don't think you can blame the final 4 rule.
In the final year of the old CBA the four teams who played in the 2009 Conference Championship Games (Jets, Vikings, Colts, Saints) were restricted in Free Agency ahead of the 2010 season. The biggest challenge was that no free agents could be signed until a free agent was lost and the contract in year 1 of the player signed had to match the player lost. This led to us allowing Jay Feely to walk so we could sign Jason Taylor.
The Jets talent levels are where they are because of the regressive nature of NFL competition and their decisions to prioritize quality over quantity in the draft over a long period of time. Players don't always work out. Careers are often short even when they pass the initial competitive hurdles. Free agency is a real option for the players who work out and are not then sidelined by injuries or personal issues. Given those factors in play the last thing a team wants to do for any period of time is to trade up repeatedly in the draft and to trade draft picks for prime players who will then quickly go post-prime. That's what the Jets did and that's why the talent base is weak at the moment. The Jets have several very overpaid players on the current roster with large associated cap costs primarily because they could not afford to lose those players to free agency. The reason they couldn't afford those losses and thus overpaid for them is that the draft strategy of expending multiple draft picks on a single player and trading draft picks for vets with issues left the roster vulnerable to losing any single talented player. I don't think the final 4 rule hurt the Jets other than by reinforcing an existing talent acquisition model that was flawed and headed for ruin eventually anyway.
Considering Tannenbaum's modus operandi, I am rather forced to conclude that the final four rule helped the Jets for the long term. By that, what I mean is, if Tannenbaum was allowed to go after the big FA acquisition at the cost of future cap (like he has done with all the bloated contracts Jets have now) Jets are in utter ruin by now, and for a foreseeable future as well. Glad that didn't happen. Two words: JEFF IRELAND. At least our moron has two AFCCG appearance to boast. How about yours?
He's not our moron anymore, thankfully. Also, Greene was a 3rd rounder, who we (of course) traded up for. In essence, Br4d's post should just about end the thread. Tannenbaum had to overpay to keep our talent because he wasn't drafting any. Then he needed to guarantee undeserved salary because he kept needing money now to get out of the cap deficits he created each offseason. Boy he sure was deserving of the capologist throne, alright...
The Jets traded for Antonio Cromartie and Santonio Holmes in 2010. Both of those players have bloated contracts at this point, although the contracts were actually given to them in free agency not as a result of the trades in question. I don't know if the final 4 rule hurt the Jets given what else was going on but it certainly didn't help them.
i never liked tanny too much, but i never had a problem with him either until recently. the team has always been relatively healthy so the depth issues were covered up pretty big, yet there were still always points in which i was left wondering how it was that other teams can plug in back ups with little issue and whenever the jets did it things went horribly wrong. the only exception being on defense since rex got here. that could be coaching, and judging by the previous sentence im inclined to believe that plays a large part, but its also personell, and the amount of piss poor quality backups the jets had on the team plus the overvalued player contracts really sealed his fate. its amusing that people think rex had something to do with the depth issue, as if he is telling tanny to get shitty guys for the offense and to give out big money to guys that arent in the top half in the league for their position.
You are pretty much spot on. For every insightful post like yours, unfortunately we encounter 50 worthless, no data...mindless single liners like "the Jets are a circus blah, blah blah, inputs" from both the media and the fans.
Yea ur right Greene was a 3rd round pick, i always thought he was a second for some reason. That was actually a good pick for round 3, i mean he hasn't been horrible but he isn't a number 1 back he still has some value though as a number 2 on any team in the league. The only reason he even reached 1000 plus yards the past two years is because of our fear of letting Sanchez throw the ball. So he got alot of touches where as if he was on the packers or the pats he would put up 400 yards a season. If we draft Eddie Lacey the Greene era is over, and besides Powell looked at times like a better faster version of Greene capable of doing a few juke moves at times,Greene always runs straight into the pile over and fucking over again, cant run a Stretch play for shit and he never has any 10+ yard runs very rarely does he run for more then 10
I don't think the final 4 rules existed aftre the '10 season but looking at those teams post 2009 playoff apps/wins: Jets 2/2 Colts 2/0 Min: 1/0 NO: 2/1 I'm sure it hurt
Yeah Greene was drafted 3rd round pick #1 in a trade with Detroit. To trade for a guy like that and see Greene's mediocre play, was definitely not worth it. In a supposed ground and pound team he could only get 1,000 yards. He cant catch either. He turned into a pussy after the 09 season for some reason.
