As unfair to the Patriots and fans, the Spygate jabs won't stop until Brady/Bill win another one. Completely terrible standard to hold them to since winning SBs is difficult to do, but that's what it will take. Even Suggs I believe yelled "nothing since spygate" in the lockerroom.
No doubt, it's here to stay. Even if they do win another one, there will still be people who want to discredit the other three. And that's fine... if you go through life being too concerned about every single person's opinion, you'll always end up disappointed. My only gripe is when those opinions are based on mistruths, kind of like the OP of this thread. Lots of flat-out inaccuracies there.
They are league employees but they are specific to a certain team/stadium, unlike referees. For example you could be the New England Patriots clock operator for decades... Even though they are paid by the NFL, it's not inconcievable that they are subject to some hometown cooking($$) or hometown discussion with certain staff members who are always looking for even the tinest of advantages... Especially when it appears they helped out the home team on multiple occasions... I'm not saying - I'm just saying. Clock operators should be obsolete anyway.. I know in the past they've experimented with allowing the referees to control the clock directly from the field. That's what they should do. All this technology and we still have to rely on referees waving up to the booth to stop the clock. Bogus.
lol, thanks. It was better and more unique than the 'Bradying' that Brady always does. Besides, I'm sure you all will have gigabytes worth of buttfumble pictures to use. :breakdance: I agree with displacedfan about Spygate. I mess with my Pat friend about it. However, if they win the Superbowl, a lot of people will stop talking about it. If they don't, you can bet people are going to question Brady and Belichick's ability.
I love how the pats fan defense is everyone cheats lol that is classic not everyone is investigated, fined, and striped of draft picks, sorry that excuse just does not fly.
I thought I heard Mike Perreira say this season that the clock operators are part of the refereeing crew (and thus travel with them), but I could be totally wrong about that. Either way what you said is still true. You never know. And I agree, the technology is there... I hear "clock operator" and I think of the A/V club kids who used to operate the scoreboard in high school. (No offense to anyone who was one of those kids. You are likely way richer and more successful than I am anyway.) The LOTR thing was hysterical too... if you can't laugh at yourself (and your team), you probably take it too seriously, right? :beer:
Pats fans always say this. They are attempting to warp reality into their Red white and blue tinted glasses. They broke the rules and got punished for it, end of story. They cheated. They aren't based on mistruths! The only thing said in the OP that's questionable is that Brady won't be considered great because of it. Nah, he will and he'll be hall of fame, despite that classless drop kick to Ed Reed.
Dude, you gotta read the whole thread sometimes. :wink: I was referring to specific points in the OP's post that were not accurate. (Wrong about the amount on the fines, about the Rams' walk-through tape, and mentioning that a middle linebacker knew plays, even though you can't "steal" offensive signals because they're radioed in.) I'm not trying to warp anything. Believe me. I gave up on that back around 2008.
Wow sad sad stuff, no worries the Jets will be good in oh I dunno know the next decade maybe, till then have at it.
Not sure about expecting a meaning discussion here, but I am thoroughly entertained by this thread. Rehashing the same old insults, same old conspiracy theories, same old * next to the SB wins. Yup, same old Jets fans*. * Clarification: some old Jets fans. I'm noticing the better posters on this board aren't coming anywhere near this gem of a thread.
Not even disdain can rewrite history for your favorite cheating team. Same old Jets fans. Keeping the facts alive. Pats fans will never outrun this situation on a Jets forum.
We'll find out a lot more about Spygate eventually. People get older, they leave the team, they leave the NFL office, they're not worried about retaliation at 63 the way they were at 45. They write books. I predict that the real pain of Spygate for Pats fans hasn't happened yet. It'll come out eventually and then we'll know. Goodell is going to take some real lumps too but the Pats are where the big blows will land. Expect this along about the time that Bill Belichik is eligible for the Hall of Fame.
You know how I feel about this, the coverup is always worse than the crime. However, since spygate broke, the Pats have won the division six years in a row and won 10 to 18 games each season doing so. Either they're still cheating or there was no great advantage.
Would Barry Bonds be a HOF player without steroids? My guess absolutely, would he be the all-time home run king-No shot. Would Lance Armstrong be a top 10 cyclist in the world who never won a Tour without blood doping? My guess is yes. Really good teams, Good teams and bad teams seek an edge. Does it make a difference? I'm betting it does, why else seek an edge? I fully understand the Pats fans predicament and frankly enjoy it. They have a great team but until they actually win another SB in the post cheating era, we can all only speculate on if having an edge made a difference. Hard to imagine that a coach who prepares for every possible contingency like BB wouldn't use that small edge to get over the hump. That small edge was outside the rules, aka cheating. I'm happy to give the man his due, he has always fielded really good well prepared teams. What he hasn't done is win a SB with arguably the best teams in football since his edge was taken away from him. Until he does BB is Marv Levy without the personal integrity.
I thought this was a great post until I read the last line. Then I realized it was a master piece. Well done.
That's what you think. History will tell otherwise. And then you can complain for fifty years about the unfairness of HOF voting. Assuming that you are young. I'm guessing that you will die before Belichick gets voted in.
