Tebow and wildcat a poor fit

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  1. Organized Chaos

    Organized Chaos Well-Known Member

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    Oh and fuck Cimini, here are the Tebow plays:

    (Shotgun) Direct snap to T.Tebow. J.McKnight right end to NYJ 33 for 3 yards (M.Williams).
    (Shotgun) Direct snap to T.Tebow. B.Powell left end to BUF 33 for 4 yards (G.Wilson).
    (Shotgun) Direct snap to T.Tebow. T.Tebow left tackle to BUF 12 for 4 yards (C.Kelsay).
    (Shotgun) Direct snap to T.Tebow. T.Tebow right tackle to BUF 33 for 3 yards (Sp.Johnson; J.Byrd).
    (Shotgun) T.Tebow left tackle to BUF 12 for no gain (Ky.Williams; N.Barnett).
    (Shotgun) T.Tebow left tackle to NYJ 47 for 3 yards (K.Sheppard).
    (Shotgun) T.Tebow left end to BUF 6 for 1 yard (S.Gilmore).


    He had a run for no gain and a 1 yard run late in the game when it was obvious the Jets would be running. It looks to me like the running backs and Tebow did ok when running the read option. I'm not going to bitch about 3-4 yards per carry on low risk plays, and I think we've seen enough of the read option last year with Denver to know that Tebow or one of the backs can break one.
     
  2. catfish

    catfish New Member

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    thanks for the listing I agree with your conclusion

    some games the "wildcat" will make sense, some games it won't. It appears the Bills are a run stopping team, the running game as a whole was bad, the "wildcat" plays were no better and no worse than the regular running game. It gave the starting RB a chance to rest so at the very least it is a small positive, at worst no more of a wasted play than a standard handoff was. I really dont get all the fuss.It was 7 plays in the first game and people have already made a decision on it.
     
  3. Red Menace

    Red Menace Well-Known Member

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    I hate the wildcat and the jets showed today that its not neccessary, cut Tebow and move McElroy to the backup spot and move on without a guy who is getting media coverage for recovering an onside kick.
     
  4. TurkJetFan

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    i actually liked how it was used...netted positive yardage every time and was a nice change of pace
     
  5. Dierking

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    I won't mind seeing some read option in short yardage and goal line situations, and two point conversions, but the wildcat with Sanchize split out wide is a disaster. Guy's going to get hurt one of these times.

    I was most impressed with how well they subbed in and out. Team seems to be fairly well coached. Which is nice.
     
  6. NJBeliever

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    Exactly. He needs to be an H-Back.
     
  7. fozzi58

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    Removing T2 takes the read option or T-wing plays off the table because McElroy can't run those plays and neither can Mark (or run them as well as Tebow I should say) Besides, I don't want my starting QB heading into running plays.

    You remove the T-Wing plays and the opposing D has nothing else to worry about except typical running and passing plays. The idea is to throw a monkey wrench into the game planning from the opposing team. And whether that 1% extra time or 30% extra time planning for Tebow/option, its time away from typical game planning.

    While I don't like the idea of Sanchez setting up as WR when Tebow is in, I would be more exited to see Tebow in on more plays either at HB, FB, or TE.
     
  8. Organized Chaos

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    I thought that was an interesting wrinkle. If they do that more often, not only does Tebow fit the mold for the position, but then teams can't assume that when Tebow and Sanchez are on the field that it's automatically going to be Tebow at QB and Sanchez out wide.
     
  9. edray10

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    Sanchez threw two of his tds on plays immediately after a tebow "wildcat" play. Essentially, it provides something like a timeout which permits Sanchez to talk to sparano on the sideline, without burning a timeout, while running a low risk play that might breakout. It also requires a defense to spend time preparing for it. If you have a qb with a huge ego they wouldn't allow it, but Sanchez is most focused on winning and he likes tebow. It also keeps tebow involved and prevents him from becoming a problem.

    All in all, it's something they should keep running, but in a limited capacity.
     
  10. CowboysFan

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    Good point
     
  11. dwalsh

    dwalsh 2006 TGG.com Rookie of the Year Award Winner

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    thats a very good point, about Sanchez being able to talk things over with Sparano without burning a TO.

    I did realize that two of the scores came immediately after a Tebow-package play, but didn't think of that aspect of it.
     
  12. VanderbiltJets

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    You forgot a sarcasm tag
     
  13. edray10

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    It might even be that they call for a wildcat play when they see something and want to spend some time talking to Sanchez. Not using a timeout also prevents the defense from having a chance to also talk over the next play.
     
  14. tzinc

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    Excellent point.

    Also gaining 3 or 4 yards a play is exactly what the Wildcat does and you run it again and again it's not designed for huge gains. You're beating up their Defense.
     
  15. Red Menace

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    I'm not being sarcastic my friend, there is a reason no one else in the league is using it. The Jets are the only team trying to reinvent the wheel with this wrinkle that is no longer a wrinkle. Use those plays to give the ball to Powell or McKnight on a screen or maybe throw a bomb if you want to give the defense something to think about.

    Against the steelers next week this nonsense is going to cost us either field position or a momentum turning play that could cost us the game.

    I'm totally against the wildcat and Tim being on this team, if he is going to be used as something other than a special teams player.... No sarcasm
     
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  16. typeOnegative13NY

    typeOnegative13NY Well-Known Member

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    It's never going to do anything for us if it's the same thing everytime,a run by tebow up the middle. There has to be some kind of element of suprise to actually give the D something to think about,not a formation that gives them a free no gain
     
  17. Bannon

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    Agreed, but it wasn't "no gain." All but one of the plays were for positive yardage. This team has trouble running the ball out of conventional looks and wildcat looks.

    And they're going to have to find a run game somewhere -- there will be times they need to sit on a lead and kill clock, or times when teams sell out against the pass.
     
  18. typeOnegative13NY

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    definetly,but it will have to be worth more than 11 yards a game. I'm sure between tebow and sparano they will develope it into something more...atleast i hope they will.
     
  19. TNJet

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    For those of you trashing the wildcat and Tebow, think about this: the change of pace kept the D off balance AND Sanchez got better by having competition. Clemens and the old man never provided competition for Mark. So coupled with complacency and the worst OC ever he didn't progress. Now we have a new OC and competition to keep Mark sharp. All is good now, be happy!
     
  20. Cman69

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    I realize we won. I also realize that the Bills are anything but a vaunted defense. The 48 pts was a pleasant surprise but the 169yds Spiller hung on us was not pleasant at all. It also appeared that the TC disrupted the rythym of the offense just a little bit but the OLine gave Sanchez time to re-establish that rythym time and again. Enjoyed the win yesterday but lets see what happens in Pittsburgh next Sunday. That's a game I fully expect the Jets to win but I also expect the offense to be tested a bit more than they were yesterday and perhaps our defense will be as well.
     
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