1)Does it now? Next year players become cuttable to avoid dead money hits and cap hits including but not limited to, Calvin Pace, Wayne Hunter, Eric Smith. I just gave you $15.5 million in cap savings. Yeah, cap really sucks next year. Do your research before you discuss cap. Savings in 2013: Calvin Pace: $8,560,000 (minimal dead money) Wayne Hunter: $4,000,000 (NO dead money) Eric Smith: $3,000,000 (NO dead money) With $15 MM in cap savings with those 3 alone, I'm sure we can find a good enough RT. Oh btw, you realize the cap increasing is a good thing right? Oh btw #2, you realize Bart Scott comes off the books right? 2) Someone who may or may not be a real player where with Harvin you get a WR entering his prime and you know what you're getting. With trading Cro and the above savings you can re-sign Harvin, sign depth at CB and fill in holes in FA and with remaining draft picks. Oh, and lock up Revis all at the same time. 3) This team depends on it's corners, but is investing a tremendous amount in the position. The Jets are going to have to lock up Revis and by keeping Cro you are likely investing 20 - 30% of the cap in two players. The Jets drafted Kyle Wilson in the first, so he has to step up eventually. Plus we've drafted a ton of lineman not to fill holes but to generate a pass rush. That pass rush will invariably reduce the need for a Cromartie type player.
The Jets are already over the cap limit next year. Pace Scott Hunter Smith will all likely be cut ( some possibly cut and resigned) and Thomas isnt under contract for next year so that doesnt free any cap space. Pace needs to be replaced, Hunter needs to be replaced, Smith needs to be replaced. And those guys will only put us a few million under the cap. Then we gotta have $$$ to sign drafted rookies (around 5~ million) then Greene/Slauson/Moore are all also UFA so they either have to get replaced or resigned. We dont have the money for this stupid shit. Thats why "ZOMG sign Percy Harvin" is fucking retarded. This isnt baseball, youre limited with the money you can spend. And considering that importance for this team probably looks something like Pass defense > Run Defense > Rushing Offense > Passing Offense the idea of spending 20~ million a year on Holmes + Harvin is absolutely retarded If we could rent Harvin for a 3rd round pick then let him go when hes an UFA fine I could live with that (the Vikings however would NEVER do this). But giving up a 1st rounder when we have a list of NEEDS, completely fucking idiotic on every single which way. The people who dont understand that need a complete overhaul in their understanding of the cap and our cap situation
ok 15.5m in cap savings. 5 million to sign rookies That leaves 10 million Then we have no LG RG HB OLB RT Yep we can easily sign all of those with 10million ! (ill also mentioned that were ALREADY OVER the projected cap for next year, which means those 15.5m in savings, arent gonna be pure savings)
interesting because according to a reputable site there is no cap number set for next year...so your claim us of being over the cap is a best guess. You are also assuming those 3 are the only guys cut to move money. Plus, if Holmes has a good season he is moveable and his stock will rise. http://nyjetscap.com/salary13.html
Of course silly me I forgot to assume that we were going to trade Cromartie and Santonio Holmes. Maybe we can trade Sanchez for a 2nd, Cro for a 2nd, and Holmes for a 2nd. Then trade for Drew Brees with 3 2nds this years 1st, and next years first ! When youre playing with assumptions you gotta keep shit simple (and realistic) or else you get into ridiculous scenarios
pretty good considering there will be other cap savings moves made and the trading of Cro alone makes absolute sense. According to your logic, we might as well not even draft since we won't have the cap space to sign rookies.
which in reality is nonsense...so whatever your projected cap # is and whatever you ASSUME to happen is not going to be reality come next off season. Thanks for playing.
Either that or my point was we are already projected 19m over the cap And dont have a left guard, right guard, starting running back, right tackle, and outside linebacker. So we will have to make significant moves just to get enough cap space to replace all of them AND sign all of our rookies. Therefore the idea of spending a 1st round draft pick on a receiver that we cannot afford to resign, is completely retarded.
I did, but shh dont tell anybody but im Cimini's source. I told him what the projected cap # was gonna be for next season
How anyone can project the cap for next season is sheer bullshit. Theres so much involved and so many ways to structure a contract. If the the NYJETS need to get a WR they will get one regardless of what anyone guesses the cap to be.
? Theyre projecting the salary cap (which is set by the league) plus our cap number based on already existing contracts is CALCULATED (this is not a projection) They dont project what kind of contract were going to give players
Now we already agreed on speed and quickness. The others are very debatable. Now I've seen Harvin play, maybe not as much as you but Holmes's ability and vision have to be better. Dude always goes down the middle and has the ability to avoid contact. Also to be a good WR, you have to be a good route runner and Holmes trumps Harvin in that category IMO. Harvin is all speed and acceleration, but is he really a more polish route runner than Holmes? I don't think so. At the same time Harvin trumps Holmes in gaining seperation due to speed and acceleration. Not denying what Harvin has done, but route running is extremely important for a WR, to me it's the most important attribute. Harvin is a beast no doubt though, he can make plays all over the field. I would say that Harvin is the better football player, but not a better WR.
+1 Too many people are in a state of panic and focusing on luxury items. What's the point of putting a state of the art entertainment room in a house whose foundation is falling apart. Harvin skill as a wide receiver won't matter if Sanchez is on his back because we ignored the line in pursuing Harvin. Besides I thought we were a run first team. If you want to spend money on an offensive skill player wouldn't it make more sense to invest that money in a running back? I'm just asking.
valid points...However, I can assure you that Harvin's vision is superior as well as his elusiveness...Route running? Maybe not so much, but its nothing that wouldn't come with time...FWIW, his route running is far from poor
How quickly people forget the many game winning catches that Holmes has made. He can and does perform at a high level in the post season The catch against the Patriots in the playoffs, the superbowl MVP catch. This guy has made some of the best sideline catches I've seen. I don't understand the hate. I understand he's not the best in the league or anything, but he's an explosive playmaker that has been receiving his entire career with young developing QBs as well. We'll see what he's capable of this year. Sanchez will have to be part of Holmes success. How many game winning catches has Percy had? I haven't followed him hard core but he was very up and down when I had him on my fantasy team, and he was catching passes from Brett Favre in 2009 and also in 2010.
