The New Offense

Discussion in 'Tebowmania' started by buddapaw, Aug 7, 2012.

  1. whichfan

    whichfan New Member

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    And here's one after.
    I know very well what the spread option is. As well as spread offense. And the spread offense is very different than what the Patriots are currently running, which can best be generalized as an "artificial spread option" not a traditional spread offense. And like I said, there's a reason Pats only focused on the passing elements of the college spread option. Brady can't RUN! Neither can Brees. And even though Rodgers might be quick, he still cant be risked to take hits.

    But really, the entire point is when you have Tebow, you don't need to be like Brady and don't need Tebow to play like that type of QB. You need to be like Tebow and run the real freaking thing. Because unlike those guys he can run at the NFL level.

    The question is, will any other team other than Carolina go all out? So far the Jets aren't doing any more than what Fox did with Tebow, except they're going to swap QB's.

    Anytime you don't fully commit to something, you probably are going to sabotage it before it even has a chance to succeed. That's all I'm saying.
     
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  2. Demosthenes9

    Demosthenes9 Well-Known Member

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    Sigh, I'll quote your own article back to you:


    Damn, imagine that. They liked the passing concepts that Myers used and they came and learned it, TOTALLY IGNORING THE RUNNING GAME component.

    That's the SPREAD part of Meyer's SPREAD OPTION.

    Note what the article DOES NOT SAY. It DOES NOT SAY that they looked at the running component and tried to figure out ways to do it "artificially" with Brady and Company. They DIDN'T try to copy it. They DIDN'T try to mimic it. They DIDN'T try to clone it.

    No, what they did was base a SPREAD FREAKING OFFENSE off of the SPREAD passing component of Meyers offense.

    Again, you are ignoring the philosophical difference between the two types of offenses. Spread offenses are pass heavy. Urban Meyers Spread Option is a run focused attack with passing elements to spread the field and open up running and passing lanes.

    Go back and look at Tebow's 4 years at Florida. Even counting his Freshman year, they RAN the damned ball more than they threw it. Run/pass ratio was around 55/45 or even 60/40.

    Spread offenses generally are just the opposite in that they pass more than they run. Then you get to the extremes of the Spread, like Mumme and Leach's AirRaid offense where it seems that they hardly want to run the ball at all.

    As for Tebow, god, how I'd love it if the Jets went with Spread Option as their version of the WC. I agree with you on that one.

    My problem is that you lose all credibility in your arguments when you say silly shit like "Duh, the Pats and Saints are running an artificial spread option". It just isn't true, no matter how you want to spin it. If you had left that claim out of your post, I would have applauded, done the +1000000000 thing and agreed with you completely.
     
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  3. Backup QB

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    I'd like to see some stats on this. It's such a cliche and everyone keeps repeating it. I think we are talking about fractions of a second here. BTW, it is equalized by faster offensive players as well. It's not like the defense gets 200% faster than the offense in the NFL compared to the college game.
     
  4. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    You must be new to the NFL. FYI, the best college team in the nation would get beat fairly easily by the worst NFL team.

    The NFL is filled with the best of the best college players and even some of them aren't good enough. When you take a team loaded with the best of the best you get all the fastest, strongest guys out there. Then you put them on an NFL nutrition and conditioning program to make them even stronger and faster.

    That's why the game is so much faster.
     
  5. whichfan

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    Woah...

    Listen man. You tried to point something out to me believing I didn't know and then I corrected you and now you are going crazy.

    You are right, in that the spread offense is pass heavy and the spread option incorporates the run. But the Patriots are NOT currently running the spread offense as most people know it. There are other differences between the spread offense and the spread option, OTHER THAN the fact that one is pass heavy.

    The spread offense is typically ran by utilizing 3-5 receivers and using their speed mismatch against slower linebackers. There is often no need for a running back on the field. There are also few dink and dunks passes IN the backfield, something the Pats do quite often and other teams that have copied.

    The spread OPTION, utilizes a quarterback who can run. The spread offense does NOT give you an 11 on 11 advantage like the spread option can. The Pats tried to mimic this advantage by using a combination of big tight ends and running backs who can catch, similar looks of a spread option in the back field, as well as some of the play designs a spread option utilizes. The difference was that instead of Brady tucking and running, he would do his little shovel pass to one of his "option" receivers that was usually still somewhere in the back field. The NFL level spread offense, usually went for medium to long passes, and rarely employed pass completions in the backfield.

    What the Pats wanted, was to figure out a way, through schemes as well as personnel, to simulate the 11 on 11 advantage a spread option quarterback and offense gives you. They will incorporate running backs as well as tight ends IN the back field who will run out of the backfield with the ball. This is very similar to the spread option, NOT the spread offense.

    Once again, what they are running what can best be explained, as I dubbed it, an "artificial" spread option. But the main reason for that is that Brady can't run. If he could, they would certainly just let him run it on some plays, which would make it no different than the college spread option. The reason McDaniels drafted Tebow is because he could actually run the spread option at the NFL level. And he can. So can Cam Newton.

    In other words, if you did let Brady tuck and run the ball...then you have an offense that looks very much like the college spread option. But it takes more than one change, to turn the current Pats offense into what most offensive coordinators refer to as an NFL level spread offense.
     
  6. Potzer

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    Manish Mehta ‏@MMehtaNYDN

    Stat correction: Tebow's pass to Turner now being ruled 60yd TD. Tebow says jets ran exact same defense on his TD run against Jets last year

    ^^^ May lend credence to my previous statement. May not, you decide =D
     
  7. Bannon

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    In another tweet, it was called "zero blitz." Can somebody expound on that terminology for me -- zero means "none" to me, but last year Eric Smith said he was ordinarily supposed to blitz in that call. Does "zero" refer to the player?
     
  8. Potzer

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    Zero meaning Zero high safeties.

    1 high would be 1 safety, 2 high meaning 2 safeties.

    Aka cover 0, cover 1, cover 2.
     
  9. catfish

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    I am not an expert but I believe it means man coverage on the WR with no help from the safety in coverage( 0 cover) with the safety on the blitz(hence the blitz)
     

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