So if you take away the bad things that happened your only left with the good. This is great news! Ground breaking reasearch here. If receivers didn't drop passes, the QB's completion % goes up. Man thats awsome. .... but wait, what if we take away the good plays. Say Thomas does not stiff arm the hell out of a CB and turn a 10 yard throw into a 80 over time TD, does Tbow still get a win? I guess we'll never know, because you gotta take the good with the bad.
Tebow's completion % needs to improve , and it will. He had crappy receivers that weren't helping the matter. The factual statistic the original poster provided illustrates this fact very clearly, nothing more, nothing less. The mind-boggling thing is all of the fools that view every mistake Tebow makes in a microscope and act as if he wont improve. The history of the NFL shows otherwise.. They repeat over and over in their minds that he isn't an NFL qb, looking for any grain of ratcheese to feed their hopes. But the fact of the matter is that is exactly what he is, an NFL qb, a playoff
also a playoff losing QB that was rated 27th out of 32 passers in the leage. So there is that "ratcheese"
not jumping in the middle, but here are the #'s per PFF here are the catchable balls/drops per receiver by QB Decker Orton 25/3 12% Tebow 30/7 23.3% Royal Orton 5/1 20% Tebow 24/4 16% Lloyd Orton 20/1 5% Bradford 58/7 12% Willis Orton 8/2 25% Tebow 14/1 7% Thomas Tebow 48/6 12.5%
so if you add up the numbers that both QB's threw to (who Orton never threw to DT and Tebow never threw to Lloyd) you have Orton 38 / 6 = 15.7% Tebow 68 / 12 = 17.6% Very little difference yet Orton (who we all admit sucks!!) still managed to complete 12.2% more of hs passes? Surely this cant be true. Its all the WR fault, they were WAY WORSE for Tebow than Orton.
Orton is also a vet with 6 NFL seasons under his belt iirc. The point was that people are sooo hunger up on Tebow's completion %. If he had receivers who weren't prone to dropping the ball last year, his completion % would have improved a bit. Additionally, if he had an OC who would call for screen passes more than once in a blue moon, he'd have a higher comp %. Most of his passes were down field and ALL QBs have a lower comp % on them. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that he would have been a 65% passer, but it would have been in the 55% range or higher.
...What? If all 9 of Decker's drops had occurred with Orton at QB then how would your post be relevant? Answer: It wouldn't be (or it would be much, much less relevant). If you wanna argue that my 3rd point was irrelevant that stands because I was just pointing out the fact that you weren't doing simple math correctly, but definitely applies. You wrote the post incorrectly then-- why begin with drops and then segway into tebows completion % as opposed to the opposite? And why emphasize how many drops Decker and Thomas had if you want to talk about Tebow's completion %? This thread, as written, was specifically catered to open the discussion about the effects of dropped passes on Tebow's stats. 1) This can't apply to me. If it does, then you're way off. 2) So if you were attempting to show something to potentially show future upside for Tebow, that means that you posted the drops by Decker and Thomas to infer that Tebow's completion % is misleading, thus meaning that ^this statement is BS. 3) You can't act as though you're doing everything you can to improve the discussion if you end replies saying "shouldn't Tebow's religion or sexuality be attacked right about now?" Plus, up until my first post, there was only one person attempting (emphasis on attempting) to troll.
I agree his #'s could have been better but if you read anything last year and some of the things this year, a lot of that is on Tebow not seeing open WR / TE / RB that are closer to him and instead choosing to air it out. I will say this forever, its not Tim's throwing motion, that needs work its the mental part of the game, reading defenses, checking down to the open reciever and making split second decisions. His coaches in HS and College did him no favors by never forcing him to learn the position instead they lived off his athletic ability. The people Tebow should be mad at are Urban Meyer and his HS for not making him a more sound all-around QB.
Can't make a blanket statement about all of them. Some were his fault to be sure, especially when he was running the ball. When he was scrambling, those would be his fault as well, but it's more acceptable/understandable, as the coaches want him to still look to throwing the ball as opposed to just tucking and running. Somewhere in there, some of the fumbles are on the Oline for failing to protect the QB. Example, if Brady is standing in the pocket, gets blindsided in under 3 seconds and fumbles the ball away, is that on Brady ? Or the oline ? Might also throw in that one or more of the fumbles could have been the result of a great play by a defender. Some guys in the NFL are "known" for their propensity in stripping the ball. Yeah, RBs and QBs have to protect the ball better, but sometimes, it's just a great play.
That what makes this thread stupid. All QB would have a better comp. % if they didn't drop balls. Just like they all have less int's if they caught the ball every time.
Oh yes, Tebow did have issues with check downs last year, and with seeing "open" receivers. But, this actually brings up some questions. Just because a guy was open on a play, it doesn't mean that the QB f'ed up by not seeing him and throwing the ball. It depends on the progression of the play. DISCLAIMER: The following statement doesn't apply to every single pass play attempt that Tebow had. I saw numerous plays where a receiver was open, but Tebow wasn't looking that way at the time. WRs run through space. Sometimes they are covered, then flash open, then they are covered again. It's a question of timing. On ALL passing plays, QBs have progressions that they are given. Look to option A first, then B, then C. It changes depending on the play, the routes being run and the coverage that is being faced. So, receiver C is open right at the time Tebow is supposed to look at receiver A. C will not be getting the ball then. C is still open when he's supposed to check receiver B. C won't get the ball here either. C is then covered when Tebow is supposed to look at him, yet again, C doesn't get the ball. If you go back and look at every NFL game, you'll find plenty of times where QBs "miss" that a receiver was open for whatever amount of time. Add to this the fact that most young NFL QBs have difficulty with progressions when they are starting out and it makes matters even worse. All that said, it's definitely something that Tebow needs to work on. Going through his progressions, finding the check downs, knowing what is "NFL open" and delivering the ball to them in a timely fashion.
Dude, people understand that almost all receivers will have drops. It's a question of whether a group of receivers has a higher drop rate than most others. It's like looking at the Jet's Oline last year. Sure, all olines give up pressure and sacks. No one is perfect. BUT, if your oline gives up more sacks and more pressures than others, the QB play is going to suffer more.
I had a bunch of screwed up segways in my original post I agree. no I was not talking about you and yes I believe I was inferring that Tebow could get better if he plays with better receivers (true about any QB I guess) but its hard to shine any positive light on tebow in these forums. You would think the guy was the QB for a hated AFC east rival or something and not a player on the Jets.
I think its relevant that out of 94 receivers that have enough passes thrown to them to qualify on the NFL's official drop list, Decker and Thomas were at the very bottom of the list. whether you want to infer that it was Tebow's fault or their's is up to you.
