Manning vs Romo

We scored a TD on a blocked punt. That’s Romo’s fault too right?

Against the Patriots on that drive they ran the ball twice for a loss of 3 yards then a 5 yard false start penalty. And that’s Romo’s fault?

Against the Cardinals they couldn’t run the ball and Romo was sacked FIVE times. He threw No INTs and did not turn the ball over. Do you understand that this is a team game?

Romo threw two 4th QTR TD passes to go up 12 w/ less than 6 minutes left against the Giants. The defense allowed 15 points in 5 minutes. Romo did more than enough to win that game including 4 TD passes and guiding them to 34 points.

He barely even played in the wk 16 game against the Eagles as he was knocked out of the game after his first drive and the late TD was led by the backup Stephen McGee.

Do you think his OL could have helped him out in the wk 17 game against the Giants? He was under pressure all game long, including being sacked 6 times. They had no running game either. Despite all this he got them back to within 1 score in the 4th Quarter.

So basically your examples sucked out side of the Lions game.

 

He's already done this once.

 

The blocked punt is irrelevant if he doesn't fumble at our GL, then the D got the ball back for him at the NYJ 47, they lost 12 yds before the blocked punt. They were 15-20 yds out of FG range when they got the ball. Not to mention the TD that gave Dal their 24-10 lead was set up at the 1 on a Sanchez INT.

did those 2 runs prevent him from putting up more than 16 pts for the game? did it prevent him from outting up a TD on 1st and G in the previous possession?

Run games don't work sometimes, sometimes you get sacked. By the way Murray and Jones averaged 4.1 YPC in that game, kevin Kolb was also sacked 5 times, the AZ Rbs averaged 3.7 YPC and yet he led them to 19 pts.

That's great that he threw 2 4th qtr TDs, he needed one more drive w/o points. Just a 1st down or 2 and couldn't do it plus he took a safety in that game in a close loss. he was good in the game for the most part but come winning time he didn't make plays.

again, sometimes you get sacked. That's not an excuse for 0 1st half pts while your opponent puts up 21.


I see a lot of your Peyton manning excuses for poor play, they were all good examples outside of philly. heck, if he can just do anything against a mediocre AZ team they most likely win the division but he couldn't outduel Kevin kolb.

 

IT'S. A. TEAM. GAME.

If the defense gets a stop with a 12 point lead then they win the division. If he's not under pressue then maybe he is able to complete some 3rd down passes for first downs to keep drives moving. If they were able to run the ball better or not have dumb penalties then maybe they are able to have managable 3rd down to keep drives moving.

Do you understand that as a QB when you are under consistant pressure that it is much more difficult to get the offense moving. When you get sacked you lose yards - sometimes very significant yards that cause difficult down and distance situations.

Your examples were piss poor.

 

Manning with out any doubt! romo is not in his leauge. the only one thats better then manning right now is maybe rogers.

 

The excuses never end, it's a team game until dallas wins then it will be b/c of Romo like Indy w/ Manning. The bottom line is Romo had numerous opportunities to change dallas' season and he FAILED. The TEAM didn't fumble, he did, the TEAM didn't throw that back breaking INt to revis HE did. There's no excuse for leading the O to 13 pts in Arizona(how come you didn't address your run game/sacks excuse since Kolb had it worse?), he put up great #s in the first Giant game but w/ a chance to end it he FAILED, he only led his O to 16 pts at NE, in the 2nd Giant game he had a million chances but couldn't get anything going until down 21-0. Did he have good moments? absolutely, did he make plays to win? not as much as he should have. Put Eli on dallas last year and they win the NFC east- that was the biggest difference btw the 2 teams and Eli wasn't great overall but he was great at crucial times.

 

I just realized something. You have a simplistic understanding of the game of football. Football is a very complex game with many moving pieces. I made an assumption that you were aware of this, but now realize I was mistaken. I will take a new approach with you going forward. One that will help you understand the game better.

LOL at "excuses" and "it's a team game until dallas wins then it will be b/c of Romo like Indy w/ Manning."

It's going to be a long process, but you will get there. I promise.

 

I have said all along that Eli is better than Romo. The gap between the two is not a huge gap however. They are both very similar.

 

when you get a chance please send me over the Cowboy playbook so we can discuss the exact responsibilities of each player on each play.

You always post the pathetic excuses for QBs except Brady who you make excuses why he has success.

 

I provide true analysis of what happened. Not Manning threw an INT its all his fault. Brady threw a 55 yd TD YAY BRADY (the pass was a dump off to the TE who takes it to the house). You have a simplistic understanding of football. Now that I have realized this, I will address your posts differently going forward. It's all good.

 

what analysis have you provided? saying he got sacked and had no run game? while his oopsoing QB got sacked just s much and had a WORSE run game.

It is a simplistic understanding, the QB is paid to kmake plays to win and when you are a top QB you are expected to do this even more often. Dallas has plenty of talent around the QB yet failed to make the playoffs in a division where 9 wins got you in. Romo couldn't get the job done in numerous losses, it really is as simple as that.

Now please breakdown the Cowboy playbaook and where each player is supposed to be on each play w/ all of Romo's reads so we can understand what it is you see and so we can get your detailed analysis.

You are deflecting as you always do, certain QBs you'll make excuses for and others you'll make excuses against. It's what you always do.

 

All that proves is that the Cowboys defense was worse than the Cardinals defense.

It's only "as simple as that" (ironic that you would use that word) for those people like you who have a simplistic understanding of the game.

Yeah, I'm deflecting your idiotic and obviously unrealistic request Don't worry, in time you will learn and have a better understanding of the game of football.

 

Ah yes the mighty cardinals defense. The same great D that alloowed 22 to the redskins, 34 to the Vikings, 31 to NYG, 20 to the great Sea offense,...

It is very simple, none of us have the teams playbooks, none of us know the gameplans, none of us know the responsibilities of each player on each play so it is simplistic for all of us fans.

Keep deflecting.


The football world according to Murrell:

Tom Brady throws TD: it was b/c of his WR
Peyton manning throws TD: it was b/c of Peyton

Tom Brady throws INT: all Brady's fault
Manning throws INT: it was his WRs fault

 

Even trained scouts can't always tell who made what mistake. Whether it's a coverage error, blocking error or receiver/ QB error. That's not what I mean with about you having a simplistic understanding of football. Most people who have a good understanding of football would be able to understand that when a QB is under immense pressure that, the play result isn't the fault of the QB if he throws an incomplete pass on 3rd and 6. In your simplistic and basic understanding of the game, you only see that the QB didn't complete the pass and thus it's his fault.

You say this because all this time I've been clearly talking over your head and giving you analysis that you couldn't understand. I have recognized my error and plan of fixing that going forward.

 

so if trained scouts can't tell then how can you tell?

There are times in every game where a QB is under pressure, that's not an excuse for every failure. I find it funny that he doesn't seem to be under pressure early in games but when it's crunch time all of a sudden his OL falls apart and he can't do his job.

keep deflecting.

 

I think Eli is slightly better but people have to stop ignoring Eli's blunders last year. The redskin games he was horrendous. Against the Seahawks he threw a 100 yard pick 6 with the game on the line. Against the Eagles he fumbled in the redzone with the game on the line. Against the 49ers he couldnt convert on 4th down in the redzone with the game on the line.

In game winning drives, eli was not as good as people made him out to be. Yeah he game winning drives against the Cowboys and Patriots in the regular season were great, but he also collapsed three times in clutch time.

Eli had five 2-minute drives with the game on the line in the 2011 season. The result was 2 wins and 3 losses. Thats the facts.

The 3rd 2 minute drive one was in the Super Bowl, which I dont need to explain because we all saw it.

 

you're hilarious. I'm not deflecting. you have a lot to learn. Its not about knowing everyone's responsibility on every play that you need to learn. You need to gain a better understanding of the game. You simplistic understanding of the game is annoying. Hopefully someday we can break down types of offenses and what they are trying to accomplish. I won't hold my breath though.

 

There are level of quarterbacks in my mind. The first level is quarterbacks who can handle pressure, succeed in the playoffs, and can consistently play at a top level. Brees, Brady, and Peyton Manning are here (Manning pre injury). These 3 can get their teams 10+ win records easy and produce in the playoffs. Rodgers is a small step below since he has not done it for as long.

The next level are quarterbacks who succeed under pressure, but have trouble putting together a consistent season.I put Big Ben a little above this group and below my first group. Eli Manning also belongs here for now. Both can improve.

The next level of Quarterbacks is ones who can consistently succeed in the regular season but have trouble performing in the playoffs or big spots for whatever reason. Romo is in this group but another couple 8-8 or worse seasons, he falls into the group that is inconsistent which would be below. Rivers, Schaubb, Cutler all fall into this category I guess. (Note I am not going to review some of the younger QBs since that is a whole different debate)

So in my opinion the gap between Eli and Romo is small but it turns into a big difference when it comes to winning games. People need to remember that Eli still makes some bonehead decisions, but he has figured out how to limit these and even overcome them.

Like I said earlier, I think Romo is at a point where everyone thinks he is underrated so he gets overrated. He has been underrated a lot and given a poor rep so everyone (media) feels the need to give him praise but then they overdo it.


I think FriendlyGiantsfan pointed out the word "situational" play. I guess that would be the explanation of the difference between my level with Eli and my level with Romo. If it was someone else, thank you for saying it also.