another point the Schotty Haters ignore, and one I think Ryan has to be concerned about going forward this year. The fact of the matter is as far as RB production and options that the major difference between last year and this coming one is that LT will be gone. That's it. Ground and Pound. Sure.
According to Rotoworld, Flynn's contract contains $10 mil guaranteed with $6 mil of that being a signing bonus. To me, that's expected "starter" money. If Wilson beats him out, then someone's head will probably roll as Wilson was a 3rd round draft pick, which isn't where teams normally troll for starting QBs.
Unlikely, since Pete Carroll is one of the top 5 or 6 highest paid coaches in the league and has all authority to make whatever choice that he wants. This is the coach that brought in Charlie Whitehurst and Tavarus Jackson AND drafted Russell Wilson. Pretty sure if he says its a QB competition and the best man wins, that the contract is only a small part. Especially since, Jackson has the edge on comfort level with the system and Flynn and Wilson have to learn it. My main point was that bringing in Flynn would have been less of a distraction for Mark Sanchez (Since he has an actual track record) then Tebow who has both a huge following AND won a playoff game last year.
I understand what you are saying, I just disagree with you. As you implied, Carroll is pretty safe regardless, but if Flynn loses the starting gig, someone's head definitely will roll. Might be some scout or other person who might have pushed/pumped Flynn. And I still disagree with your overall view of Flynn. He was the hottest/best FA QB available (until Manning got released) and teams that were interested in him were teams that were looking for a starting QB. There were other QBs out there that would have served the role you are talking about. Henne and Quinn both come to mind. Flynn was seen as being in a different class and it definitely would have been an instant QB controversy if the Jets had signed him.
I hear you. I just don't view Flynn as a guaranteed starter anywhere. If Seattle thought he was, why draft Russel Wilson when you just signed Flynn? And you wouldn't sign Flynn if you were the Jets because he'd come at a premium. So you convinced me. But still, to bring in Tebow when you could have gotten a true back-up. That's what I was trying to say, rather than a player that WAS a starting QB on a winning team last year. You know? Logically.
As someone who is hardly a Sanchez Fan, his contract situation and there being enough uncertainty about whether he really will fail in the NFL made a move to spend that kind of money to get someone like Flynn, hardly a proven commodity, a bad one for the Jets. The logic of the Jet situation was to use Sanchez's fourth year to hopefully isolate the variable, give him one more year with at least sufficient support to get it done, and not pull away just a bit too soon. I may have substantial doubts about whether it really was too soon to make a judgment about him. I fear we have seen enough to know he will never develop up to a sufficiently acceptable level. But I made up my own mind to accept the reality, partly based on his guaranteed contract and the cap hit, to give him one more year. But... the logic of that approach has been totally undermined by bringing in Tebow. Stanton was a true backup. The Jets had him and they were set going into next season. Now it's a case of WTF?
Why sign Wilson ? The question would make sense if Wilson was a first round pick or a high second rounder, but he was a third. Sign him to be the backup to develop behind Flynn. Wallace would be the "vet" to mentor Flynn. The only way I would have signed Flynn for that kind of money was if I was in the market for a starting QB. If I just wanted a backup QB, there were plenty of other options available and they came with smaller price tags. As it is, the only reason there is even talk about Wilson competing for the starting job is because he had a really good rookie mini camp. As for bringing in Tebow, again, Tebow is value in that he will be a good backup this year, AND he also brings other things to the team. His intangibles will help in the locker room AND he can do things in the WC that most other people can't. i.e. he serves multiple roles, whereas someone like Stanton would merely stand on the sidelines waiting in case Sanchez got injured.
Perhaps you should look at Tebow as kind of a stalking horse. When training a horse to race, you put him on the track by himself and go through the normal exercises to develop speed and endurance. After that groundwork has been laid, you then put another horse on the track to push him. That's what you get with Tebow (unless he has improved dramatically with his passing consistency). He's enough to push Sanchez and make him get better, but probably not good enough to take his job away.
Yup. Tim Tebow completely overshadows anything Mark Sanchez has done or could do. (Psychologically) I tried to think of an analogy, and all I could think of is having a lead guitarist (Mark Sanchez) and you bring in the unorthodox Jimi Hendrix (Tim Tebow) to play lead on certain songs because Mark couldn't perform certain leads well enough but knows his scales. Mark had a couple hits 2 years ago but could not stay in the charts with his band last year and the record company is worried so that's why they bring in Jimi to play on a couple songs. Uhm ... Mark gets overshadowed when the Jimi song goes to the top of the charts. And before you know it, the songs that are the best are the ones with the Jimi leads. And then, the rest of the band thinks, why not have Jimi play a lead on every song? And why even have Mark in the band? Not sure I made any sense. But that's what Sanchez is facing. Manic Depression! LMAO :metal:
That's a great analogy except that football is nothing at all like having a rock band and Tebow is more like John Denver than Jimi Hendrix.
I think that's true to a point. The truth is, the threat of Tebow getting better should drive Sanchez, but in reality Tebow, is an upgrade over Brad Smith + Mark Brunell (not too much difference overall) plus a roster spot. Sanchez is going to get better by virtue of being in a better run offense. I think, upon reflection, that the staff wants to drive him NOW before he gets better to maximize the opportunity.
When I think of Mark Sanchez the guitarist I'm thinking of a friend of mine who was a really good in the local high school band. When I think of Tebow as a guitarist I'm thinking tragically put his hand in a wood chopper before his debut in the garage. Dan Marino had a little more Hendrix than Timmy Tebow.
The problem with this argument is that it takes a vastly more disciplined organization than the Jets to prevent the stalking horse from somehow winding up in the race as the starting horse. The Jets have tied their fortunes for next year to a guy who doesn't throw the ball well enough to be a good NFL QB. They may not know they've done this yet for sure but they have. The reason Tebow-mania happens is not because Tim Tebow is a great QB who teams would love having start for them. The reason Tebow-mania happens is that Tim Tebow has most of the other qualities that you'd like to have in a QB and he positively radiates leadership, self-assurance, poise, etc. The non-throwing qualities that teams desperately want in their QB. At Florida that was enough to win, in a competitive environment in which not being able to throw the ball extremely well was not that important. Lots of college teams win with their QB doing things other than throwing the ball wel enough to win in the NFL. That's why Scott Frost took Nebraska to a share of a national championship. It's why Tim Tebow took Florida to one also. As in Denver those Tebow qualities are going to get him on the field as soon as the other guy falters, and maybe even before that if the Jets locker room supports the switch. That's when the Jets become capped by their QB for sure. Because in today's NFL you can't win at the end of the season unless you are capable of leading multiple game-winning drives against great defenses and Tebow is absolutely not capable of doing that based on his skills. It's not clear that Mark Sanchez can do this either. He has never led a game-winning drive at the end in the playoffs against a great defense. But he clearly has the possibility of doing this based on his proven record of playing well at the end of games and in the playoffs. Tim Tebow is an evolutionary dead-end for the Jets at QB. He's going to be another waste of 2 years until this becomes clear beyond a reasonable doubt. John Elway moved heaven and earth to get rid of him because Elway understood this. We were the suckers who took on the problem and now will have to deal with it.
Have to take issue with a couple of things here. First, in college, Tebow had all the intangible traits as a Freshman yet still wasn't the starter. Why ? Because Chris Leak was a better passer than Tebow was. Secondly, if you want to, pull up the stats of the Nebraska QB that you referenced and see how his passing numbers stack up against Tebow's. I keep hearing this "He can't pass" mantra, but the fact of the matter is that Tebow passed very well in college and his numbers rival and actually beat Peyton Manning's in certain key categories. Basically, Manning had more yards due to more attempts and completions, while Tebow has higher YPC, higher YPA, better interception ration, higher TD % and better passer rating. WRT your last statement, I think it laughable that you want to pronounce Tebow as being at an evolutionary dead end when he has had fewer than 16 starts as an NFL QB and in those starts, was in a worse situation than Sanchez has EVER faced. In his three years as a starter, Sanchez has played behind a better Oline than they had in Denver; with better receivers than they had in Denver; with a better Defense than they had in Denver; and with better coaches than they had in Denver (yes, even accounting for Shotty and Cav). Not that I'm a fan of Shotty's, but I'd take Rex and Shotty over John Fox and Mike McCoy any day of the week.
