Yankees get Pineda from Seattle

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  1. SienaSaints

    SienaSaints Well-Known Member

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    Struggled for 2 years in Triple A. He struggled for 2 months. How is hitting .300 for 2 years struggling.
     
  2. Yisman

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    Seattle trading Pineda is rather shocking, especially for only Montero.

    I know they need hitting, but trading Pineda....
     
  3. SettlerDawg

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    He hit .289 in 2010 and .288 in 2011.
    He hit 21 homers 2010 and 18 homers in 2011. Projecting to around 25 homers a year.
    He was dipping in prospect rankings before his promotion.
    He had only 61 AB's and hit .328 in the majors, and all of a sudden he's being way overhyped by Yankee fans.
    He's going to be 23 this year, and would of wasted away at DH.
    He's a good prospect, but Pineda is much more valuable to the Yankees.
     
  4. SienaSaints

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    Ask any scout and they say he is going hit. Ask Yankee people and they say he was board in AAA. .289 is pretty damn close to .300 and he hits for power. I love the trade just saying he was a very good hitter. Oh and I have been following Montero since 2006 so I don't think I saw him hit .328 and went gaga.
     
  5. KWJetsFan

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    This is why I ultimately like the move. The Yanks need talented young arms far more than a hitting catcher.
     
  6. AJ Duhe

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    In the span of a day, the Yankees went from having a very suspect pitching staff with obvious holes to having a pretty decent staff with some options for the 5th starter ...and to make it happen, they had to part with a guy who really only projects to be a DH as far as the Yankees go. Gotta remember where we were before the trade: Sabathia a solid #1, Nova a weak #2, and after that it was a hodgepodge of "hope we get lucky" options. We all loved Montero's bat but he was going to be an on-the-field liability. Overall, I'd say the team is in much better shape after the trade. I'm pretty stoked about the moves.
     
  7. Jake

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    I hope Hughes beats out Burnett/Garcia for the #5. Probably wishful thinking, but if he rights his ship this rotation could turn out to be a strength long term. Also weary of a sophomore slump for Nova.
     
  8. Cakes

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    A Dolphins and Yankees fan? How does that happen?
     
  9. Cakes

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    I don't fully understand it either. Maybe Seattle stupidly thought Pineda fatigued in the second half and maybe doesn't have what it takes to be a starter long term. From what I heard he didn't really pitch worse in the second half. It was more of an issue of his BABIP allowed or strand rate or VORRECHT was lower or higher or something.
     
  10. Jake

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    I was gonna say the same thing, then remembered some of our very own are Jets/Red Sox fans. As repugnant as that is, anything is possible.
     
  11. Brook!

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    Jets/Red Sox I understand.

    Some Jets fans are also Mets fans who hate Yankees. Yankees' biggest rival is Red Sox

    On the other hand having a Dolphins and Yankees fan on this board is pretty interesting.
     
  12. NYCKNP

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    I've read from the messages that this board has a Dolphins and Yankees fan. I know someone who's also like that too. It's unusual but not unheard of if their favorite baseball team is from one city, but the football team is from another. As for me, I'm a Yankees/Jets fan and that is definitely going to get a lot of questions such as "Why root for the establishment during baseball season, but root for the underdog during football season?" The thing is that I wasn't a big football fan until 2009 when I started following the Jets on a regular basis and I was a Yankees fan for a long time. Believe it or not, the Yankees were underdogs for quite a few seasons.

    Going back to the original post, I am happy to see Pineda as part of the pinstripes and I hope he does well when it comes to the regular season.
     
  13. talisaynon

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    FIP was the same, his BB/9 and K/9 were the same in the second half.
     
  14. Cakes

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    I do not know what FIP is, but I do know his VORP, TIT and IKSRTFO numbers were all down in the second half according to his FLUTNEY %. So that is okay especially when you take into account his GURP and UZR numbers.
     
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    Fielding Independent Pitching. It's an ERA-like number that - as the name implies - removes any factors that depend on the quality of the defense a pitcher has behind him, evaluating a pitcher's performance based on the three true outcomes of a pitcher/batter matchup: HRs, BBs (and HBPs), and Ks.

    xFIP (expected FIP) is a more popular/accurate predictor of future performance, though, because it removes most of the variance inherent in HR rates from year to year.


    Basically, though, it's just a way of isolating how much of a pitcher's success or suckiness is likely to be due to the pitcher's performance instead of the eight other guys on the field. In Pineda's case, a lot of people are making the argument that the higher ERA in the second-half has little to do with Pineda's individual performance, since his FIP was almost the same in either half. Or in other words, if he was truly pitching worse in the second half, you'd expect that he'd be giving up more HRs, more BBs, and K-ing fewer batters. But that wasn't the case.
     
  16. jwmann2

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    I thought this was a silly trade. With Posada retiring, Montero was the face of the new class of stars. They should have just upped the payroll and signed Edwin Jackson or Buerhle.
     

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