The Inbred World of NFL Coaches and Our New Old Offense

Thanks for the article. Interesting read.
So now, Rex has HIS imprint on the offense. No more excuses.

 

If you want to read a great book that gives you some insight into schemes and how they came into play get "Blood, sweat, and chalk" by Tim Laden. One of the best football books I have read.

Good article. The Sparano hiring does make more sense after reading this. If we can get back to our 98 offense thats a good thing.

The thing that baffles me a little is the Coryell system blew up so quickly because the verbiage was simple. Basically you have 9 routes a receiver could run numbered 1 through 9. So then you call out 846 the guy on the left is running an 8 the guy in the slot runs the 4 route and the guy on the right runs the 6 route. I know the system has evolved a lot over the years and now we see more 4 and 5 receiver sets, lots of motion and shifts, and different blocking schemes but I just find it funny that Schotty ran a system whose verbiage was originally known to be easily learnable and it apparently was one of the tougher systems to learn.

 

excellent read, thanks for posting that.

 

This explains a lot about why Schotty looked so befuddled at times on the sidelines. Even he didn't know what the "mutant" was likely to produce from play to play.

As soon as I heard, shortly after he was ousted, that he had to tell Sanchez where to look for the open receiver on each play a couple of things came to mind:

1. Either Mark Sanchez has no business being behind center in the NFL, since reading is fundamental.

Or

2. The offensive system was such a complex clusterfuck that Albert Einstein probably couldn't have run it properly.

I lean towards 2.

 

This was of major concern/red flag for me.

 

Very illuminating read. Interesting to see how one particular offensive system is inter-connected between so many people in the NFL particularly Super Bowl teams.

Hopefully it will be a bold step forward for the Jets.

 

Thanks for posting that. I read this yesterday. It definitely paints a clearer picture of what most of us have been seeing under Schotty these past couple of years, but couldn't quite put our fingers on it. I hope everyone on this board reads this article.

 

Thanks for finding and posting this. Great read, and it explains the confusion we probably see with the "mutant" offense. Nice to see that Schotty can rebound in St. Louis and run what he wants and not a hybrid forced upon him.

 

So it was indeed a mix of WCO and Sid Gillman offense, with inept elements distilled to the offensive use. I did suspect it but damn, that sounds absolutely horrifying.

But if what the story above is all true (which I think can be a distinct possibility) then it is not all Schottenheimer's fault that the game soured on like that. He was given ill fit with his running game, and his only deep threat card was taken away thanks to the genius of GM Jets have. Once the power zone blocking scheme started the tailspin, then the offense had only one way to go: south. My view toward Schottenheimer has changed into less severe category - only slightly but it sure did. I don't want to gamble on how he will fare if he was given right assistants to go along, but St. Louis won't be running the same clusterfuck Jets were running the past few years - that much is certain.

This means Jets need 3 more capable men up front at OL. Moore, Slauson and Hunter - none of them are capable of drive-blocking. They are not even large enough to play man-blocking scheme. On top of that, having a decision maker that does not know football hurt the Jets big time if the above statement is true - it is an incriminating damnation at its best.

So it all comes down to mixture of Cavanaugh, Callahan with Schottenheimer presiding these ill fits. No fucking wonder the offense was always in disarray. They don't even see the same situation on the same page!

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At least this joke is over. Jets bringing E/P system is not a bad choice in fact. E/P system can take many shape and form - depending on the personality of the HC/OC. Parcells always preferred the smashmouth style of it but Belichick has lived long enough to see the value in WCO style spread offense - which he has installed up there in Foxboro. It will take some time for everyone to get on the same page, but at least there won't be a misfit like last few years. That bodes well to say the very least.

 

Great article - thanks for posting this.

Hopefully this gives us all hope for next season - we just need the players now!

 

Shotty was only half way through his 6 yr run with the jets when Rex came in wanting a ground and pound offense.

Shouldn't Shotty have said THANK FUCKING GOD!!! and dumped all that crazy Mangini stuff that was 'forced' on him??? Seems Shotty was determined to keep the confusing hybrid system just to feel important and to keep Rex out of the planning meetings.

 

So really that post enumerates the problem with Schotty - he was brought install a system, but was given a zone blocking West-Coast offense.

That falls on one man: Tannenbaum. I really like what he did after the disaster that was the 2007 season, but he can't keep leaving it at that. There's a lack of talent on the Jets roster, and his wheeling and dealing ways has finally bit us in the ass. The 8-8 performance this year is symptomatic of mediocre drafts in 08, 09, 10 and 11.

The Jets are really going to need to hit it out of the park in this year's draft in order to remain in contention. I'm not optimistic. Luckily we have Ryan who, at the very least, is able to get the most out of a team on the defensive side that clearly lacks 1)team speed and 2)pass-rushers. The linemen are pretty much JAGS, the linebacking corps is even worse, and the safeties are probably bottom 3 in the league. Luckily the cornerbacks are pretty good- and Ryan knows how to play to the strength of his team on defense.

On offense we've got a bunch of lineman that are not suited to run the power scheme required. I foresee Matt Slauson getting torn up, and Moore struggling to run the man blocking scheme that we're going to need to run. I'll reserve judgment for whoever is at RT; but that will probably be an FA signing who fits the scheme so I'm not too worried. Slauson, though, will be next year's Wayne Hunter, I guarantee it.

Jets would be retarded to get rid of their 4th best player, Holmes. I want Keller moved out, he's not a blocking TE and wouldn't fit the scheme. Plax I'm apathetic about. Kerely is good, Jets need to draft another WR to "grow" with Sanchez.

Sanchez gets two more years, then his ass gets shipped out of town.

Tannenbaum gets probably two more years too, if there's a clear lack of talent of this team then, he's probably out too

 

Every single individual within the fan base should read that.

 

Yep. Tannenbaum is the master architect of this gigantic clusterfuck called Jets. The defense is filled with JAGs and is in general lacking speed. Two starting corners (and the fucking NICKEL!) are about the only bright spot of the defense.

As for the offense, by now I am more inclined to think that Schottenheimer must have liked Sanchez a lot, *Big arm, nimble feet, good vision and leadership - the kind of stuff you want on Gillman offense* and if he had been given the right fit (OL coach/QB coach) then the offense would have fared much better. In fact, I just realized this but Schottenheimer didn't have the kind of power blocking OL that Gillman offense favors. (Callahan has been with the Jets for 4 years, 08, 09, 10, 11) Also that Cavanaugh was with the team for the past three years means practically Sanchez was seeing one thing from Schottenheimer then hearing another thing from Cavanaugh. This is not good fit no matter how you slice it.

*Here's my little apology to Schottenheimer: Maybe you don't really suck as much as the Jets offensive ineptitude from the past few years say. Here's little hoping that you do turn out fine. Just not against the Jets.*

 

Funny how all those times you were thinking "this just doesn't look like an NFL offense" it actually fuckin wasn't an NFL offense.

 

lol

Great take.

 

Like Rex retained Schottenheimer and the remainder of offensive staff?

I am inclined to think that Tannenbaum shoved these staffs down the throat of Schottenheimer, then Ryan.

*If Tannenbaum wanted a good OL coach that had ground-and-pound roots, he should have gone after Hudson Houck. Houck was fired from Dolphins at one point so don't tell me Tannenbaum couldn't have done that either.*

 

Nice read fozzi I really enjoyed that. It got me pumped up for next years team and how this will all shake out. It will be nice to see the offense get plays off without all the shifting and motion that shotty had them doing. Here's to looking ahead to the 2012-2013 campaign. Cheers!

 

No doubt it's a good offense. In fact, it may have been the most successful offense ever and if Vinny can learn the offense and be successful Sanchez should be fine.