This. It's not that we think Sanchez is some guaranteed elite QB, it's just that we want to be patient with him and see how he progresses. Especially now that he has a new OC.
Doesn't really matter how logical it may be. Apparently, if you're not on board with getting rid of him and signing manning you're an irrational Sanchez lover.
Nothing got out to the public? Correct me if I'm wrong, but as I recall Tom Brady spent most of the second half of that season calling out his teammates in the media, urging them to work harder and come together.
That's the million dollar question. I have no idea how he rallies a team, but for the last two years he has been able to take hits in stride and get the team to play better around him. I honestly think once Sanchez/Holmes see the offense and how much more we might go down the field, it will work. Sparano and Rex will have balancing act where Sparano probably gets to work with individual offensive players while Rex rallies the offense/defense/special teams together to play as a team. If you remember, last year the Jets were getting killed just as bad in the media for a variety of different reasons starting with Hard Knocks. It started with Hard Knocks and the cursing, then Braylon's DUI and how we need to suspended him even though no other "classy" team does, throw in the sideline reporter, and the Rex's foot thing, and the humiliating 45-3 and you had a lot more problems than most other teams deal with. Part of it is to blame on the team itself, but the other part is the media trying to play up Rex and the frat house theme. I have faith that Rex can bring the team together one, and I honestly think if we win, everyone is happy. Tone wasn't catching as much as usual last year, but winning solves everything.
+1. Co-sign. I say that with a new OC now, he has the remaining 2 years to PROVE that he's our QB for the foreseeable future.
Well, I would admit there is something feminine about the devotion of Sanchez Fans to their man, but no, I don't think most of them are females. That's pretty off the wall. There are very few women who post here in the first place. I have said elsewhere what makes in my mind a Sanchez Fan. It is not only someone who makes every excuse in the book for him. It is also (and this is where they act more like fans of him than of the Jets) throw everyone else on the team under the bus in making excuses for Mark. I am not surprised that does not include the team doctor, ball boys and the team bus drivers. To be sure there was a collective responsibility for much of what went wrong last year. But where the Sanchez Fans differ from the rest of us is that they blame ALL of Mark's shortcomings on others, and do not acknowledge that most of his problems are due to his own weaknesses and limitations. Just thought I would clarify that, since you didn't seem to understand the point.
Of course something came out, or I wouldn't know anything about it. Certainly things leaked (mostly after the season), but nothing like what we've seen with the Jets. And think about how the Pats responded, compared to the Jets, The next year the malcontents were all gone, not embraced like with the Jets. Like I said in another thread - Accountability.
Just thought I'd clarify, since you don't seem to understand the point. Most are pointing out that the team collectively failed and it shouldn't all be pinned on Mark Sanchez. Most actually agree he has shortcomings of his own.
In response to your first paragraph, I was talking about your original statement which read: "something tells me that Rex is on a shorter leash, partly because for those of us who are Jet Fans and not Sanchez Fans". Your sounding like there are fans on this forum that are Sanchez Fans rather than Jet Fans. Indeed you re-iterate it in your second paragraph above "... and this is where they act more like fans of him than of the Jets ...". Because the "Pro Sanchez" people (and I even hate to use that term) differ from your opinion you are almost accusing them of having a greater allegiance to Sanchez than to the Jets. I just don't see that being the case at all. My point was that the only group (and I realize that there are not a lot a lot of them on this forum - I was joking) who would possibly be Sanchize Fans first and Jet Fans second, would be 20 something females. Most people who say it's too early to give up on Sanchez acknowledge his flaws and say that he has to improve. Almost everyone in this camp admits that he has to step it up. The fact that they point out issues that the team had around him (that were not conducive to his development) does not totally exonerate Sanchez from blame.
I have seen numerous examples of certain posters here who in defending Sanchez do so by blaming pretty much everyone else on the team for Sanchez's issues. That doesn't mean there aren't some in the middle who acknowledge Sanchez's limitations while also arguing they would be less of a problem were it not for the shortcomings of the Jet players and coaches. That position is a reasonable one. The former one is not. What i refer to as a Sanchez Fan is someone here who wants to give Sanchez every excuse in the book and some I have never heard of before (like that Mark was hampered by the fact that his backup is left handed - good one!), but will not even come close to extending that same treatment to other Jet players. They are the ones who say things like Sanchez's problems are because the OL is "terrible" or that Mark threw an interception due to Schotty's playcalling, or who blame the OL's inability to hold off the pass rush when he holds the ball too long or throws into triple coverage. They are the ones who defend his performance in his third year on his only starting for one year in college. They are the ones who say Holmes has ALWAYS been a locker room cancer, meaning that is why Holmes has issues with Sanchez, and not because Hollmes is justifiably frustrated with Sanchez. They are the ones who also blame the running backs for not taking the pressure off of Sanchez because their ypc has gone down, when it is because Sanchez is not a medium to deep passing threat that allows opposing D's to stack the box against the run. I see all too many of this sort of over the top excuse making, and to the detriment of assessments of other players on the Jets. Everybody else gets thrown under the bus. My point is not overriden just because some or even most of his supporters who acknowledge he has problems IF at the same time they explain those problems as being caused by other Jet players. This does not mean that there are no problems elsewhere on the team - of course there are. But the clear implication is that somehow Mark gets less support from the rest of the team than the average NFL Qb does, and that is not only not true, it is laughable. And also by extension what they really mean is they expect all the other players to be near perfect before we can expect Mark to be even a middle tier NFL Qb. I think Mark as the fifth pick in the draft should be performing at a far higher level by now. I don't think his fundamentals are good, or that someone other than him is responsible for that. I think he is a very poor Qb at reading opposing D's. I am sure the CS has tried to work with him on that, and he has really shown no material progress in that area. This year we have seen even less confidence shown by him on the field, and his supporters can't absolve him of blame for that by pointing out that Hunter was quite mediocre at RT. I have not totally given up on him if the goal is to salvage the pick and all the time and effort put into him, but with the realization the sights have been lowered to having him be a game manager at best. I find that disappointing given the draft pick and the hype. As for the Sanchez Fans, I even understand what motivates at least some of them. They don't want to face the meaning of where Sanchez is in terms of what it probably means for the team. Going forward there are no easy answers, so it is easy to hope for the best and ignore the evidence of his mediocre play and lack of grounds for optimism going forward. Although Mark and Chad are very different in many respects, we have seen this kind of division in the fanbase before, with Chad, and I see parallels to back then when Chad's obvious limitations and fragility were excused by many. Even then I do not recall so much of the throwing of other teammates and the coaches under the bus, though. Well, I hope that explains my position.
