YES. We Need to Rebuild the OL. Nicks would be a step in the right direction. Getting rid of Hunter would be a step in the right direction too.
I think there are other positions that will come before replacing Moore. Yeah it would be nice to get Nicks but I don't know if it would be worth the money and losing a veteran like Moore. But it would be an upgrade for the OL so I don't really know then, I guess we should see if it actually happens.
Whoever started this thread, for starters. The Jets will have in the ballpark of 128 million to spend including carrying over money from this year. We have $121 saved up, and that's with no draft picks, no leonard, no pouha, no plax, no Thomas replacement, and (unlike this year) no easy ways to reduce our cap expenditures.
Nicks is a great player and it would be nice to have him. I think it's time for the Jets to spend time signing and drafting guys who'll play roles in the team's schemes, rather than spend on names alone. The spending on names thing hasn't really been working out.
As much of a proponent of "building in the trenches", guard, while there's room for improvement is not a glaring hole. (RT, S, etc) I'd rather approach the line through the draft and hopefully develop some bluechip guys that'll be around for a long time and use that $$ elsewhere (I will admit, I haven't really followed college football this year (working saturdays) so, I'm not as informed on the talent pool)
Sounds pretty dire. I'll have to look into our cap situation more closely when I get home.. And people think we can afford Peyton? lawl.
They accumulate picks I think was the point, they make 4ths into 3rds, then 3rds into 2nds. Some of the excess pick comes from trading veterans away, but most of it is just pushing picks forward a year and moving up a round as a result. Of course one of the other areas they really excel is in undrafted FA. Green-ellis, Kyle Love, Dane Fletcher, gary Guyton, Kyle arrington and Sterling Moore are all big contributors for them. Hernandez was a 4th they got from Denver, Deadrick their current starter at DE was a 2010 7th rounder, Edelman was a 6th, they got Gronkowski with an extra 2nd and a 6th, Slater (not a star but a key contributor on that team) 5th round.
Worry, Mambo, worry. Now understand I'm getting my info from Jet fans on this site, but from what I understand, while the Jets will be about 14-18MM under the cap when the new season starts, they have about 20MM in contract increases that wipe out all that room. That isn't good in a year when the cap is unlikely to increase more than a million or two. I doubt that after Tanny pushes off the inevitable....again, the Jets will be able to get more than one FA this off season who would warrant a $4-6MM first year cap number. I could be wrong, but that's what I'm reading.
People who assume we would go after Peyton are assuming that Sanchez would be cut which saves I think 9-10M? Still a huge longshot and not a good financial decision, but it makes more sense in some ways than Nicks, since a healthy Peyton makes even a pretty mediocre team a championship contender, no guard no matter how good has that kind of impact.
1) Poster should also be required to pass 3rd grade before posting on this board so shut up. 2) I know our cap situation more than most on this board so again shut up. I'll do some math. 2012 cap is projected around 124. We carry over 8 mill so we have 132. Because of Cotchery being an asshole we have 1.5 in dead money so 130.5... let's make it 130. We are on the books for 121. Let's say Pouha gets 3 mill so 124. We cut Moore and Hunter so let's say 118... if we add 8 (Nicks) then it's 126. We still have 4 mill in cap space without even restructuring a single contract. Considerng some restructuring can easily be made and that Nicks would agree to a lower 2012 cap number (which doesn't mean less money in 2012) if the overall guaranteed money is good enough we could well do everything I propose and be around 6 mill under our cap space. If Rex realizes Eric Smith sucks we instantly go to 8 mill in cap room. With the carry over from 2011 and consdering cutting Hunter and Moore saves around 6-7 mill we could easily offer him an 8 mill cap hit this year. In 2013 we'll have lots of cap space since I'm 100% sure we'll get rid of Scott and Pace (or at least they will have to heavily restructure) and we can afford a big 10-12 mill hit. A big signing is doable and won't cripple us financially (provided we rid ourselves of Moore and Hunter). Without getting rid of those 2 I agree it would be impossible to sign him though.
Look. Slauson and Moore are both serviceable, and will be able to hold their own in the new man blocking scheme. They do NOT require immediate FA transition. Wayne fucking Hunter needs a veteran replacement immediately.
Your Math is lovely but 4 million to sign a starting RT, 2 starting S, a starting WR, rotational pieces at DE, OLB, a backup QB, likely a backup RB, depth at WR, 4th CB, etc. is a terrible idea. Even our awful RT last year made $2.5M. Our first round pick will have a cap hit of approximately $2M, our second rounder about $1M so even if they fill an area of need we'd have to fill basically every other roster spot with league minimum guys. Is the upgrade from Moore to Nicks worth that?
I think everyone would agree Hunter can go so we can save $2.5 million. Moore however is a non-poisonous leader on offense and it's clear that we need locker room guys after letting Shaun Ellis and Tony Richardson, among others, go. Instead of cutting Moore, it appears that we can save that same amount of money by cutting or trading Bart Scott. Scott isn't the linebacker he once was, and he has started complaining about his lack of playing time because he can't cover. While Bart has been a leader on D, his growing ineffectiveness and the potential for our defensive leader to start complaining and becoming a cancer like Santonio on offense is legitimate. Revis, Harris, and Pouha can easily take over as the leaders of the defense. We could sign Moore and draft an ILB to replace Scott in the first 3 rounds. Nigel Bradhman is a guy that jumps to mind as having the athleticism, strength, and ability to play the ILB spot next to Harris and barring a post-combine rise up draft boards (sadly very likely) he should be there in the middle of the 3rd round. All of a sudden we go from having a pretty crappy O-line (as a unit) to a very strong O-line with D'Brick, Nicks, Mangold, and Moore (and veteran right tackle free agent signing) up front.
Every year someone says the Jets will be in cap hell and every year tanny ends up chasing big name free agents or trading up and the working his magic on the cap.
The biggest problem for the Jets this year was depth, and that is well documented. Yet I still see people wanting to get rid of the little depth we do have. Moore has been rock solid for years and Hunter was a useful backup. To get rid of 2 useful linemen for 1 very good one is a trade I don't think we should make at this point.
Hunter should be released and re-signed as a backup, no more. With that taken care of, Jets should address RT issue somehow - either through draft or through free agency. If Jets can get a viable starting RT with 3rd round pick, fine - other than that, FA should be the way to go.
Were you happy with the team's depth or performance this year? The chickens finally came home to roost. Also, the price for getting under the cap last year was that we CAN'T cut Scott, Pace, Cromartie or Holmes without massive cap penalties, even though they all all grossly overpaid.
