the problem is not schotty

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  1. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    You really want to watch 6 more years of moribund Jet offenses because the OC can't get hired anywhere else to do anything because he hasn't proven he is a success at OC?

    Really?
     
  2. Acad23

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    It's fairly obvious to me at this point that there's more than enuff blame to go around...and that leaves just one man to take responsibility. Rex Ryan. And he has stepped up and said as much. Now he needs to fix the issues.

    He's got to hold the players, especially the so called "stars", to a much higher standard.
     
  3. milcus

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    Great post. Only thing I disagree with is that Sanchez has a lot of potential. I think he was a 2nd/3rd round talent that got drafted too high in a weak QB draft class because many teams had qb needs.

    Schotty is bad, but to blame him for everything when Tim Tebow can win games in the NFL and make big plays when Mark Sanchez cant (Sanchez would have gotten raped by the Steelers defense) is ludicrous.
     
  4. ace_o_spades

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    You are wrong.
     
  5. MexicanJet

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    This is what bothers me the most in when people say it's not Schotty and it's Sanchez. If we were some sort of offensive power at any point since he's been here, I'd be singing a different tune. BUT we haven't been. We have never really been creative. Sanchez DID struggle, makes silly mistakes, yes, no one is over looking that, BUT he gets no help and the play calls don't do shit.

    Fuck Schotty.
     
  6. Frenbar

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    There are only two possible reasons to defend Shottenheimer.

    1. You don't understand football.
    2. You are cheap and don't want to cut him and pay the contract that you foolishly signed him to next year.

    There is absolutely nothing for reasonable people to argue about. Are there lots of problems with this team? Yes. Has Sanchez been shaky (or worse) at times? Absolutely. None of that has anything to do with Shottenheimer's repeated demonstration that he is a terrible play caller. You can absolutely look at many of the decisions Shottenheimer makes in a vacuum and judge him for it.

    The 4th and inches call where Jets came out in shotgun and hurled it 40 yards down the field to Keller into double coverage alone should be enough for him never to coach again.
     
  7. Braylon4ever

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    THIS.



    I can just SENSE this to be the makings of another Brett Favre situation where we go 8-3 with Manning, he gets hurt and becomes ineffective and we end up missing the playoffs ultimately.....

    It's how JETS Luck runs here.....
     
  8. Zach

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    So here is my question for you.

    Schottenheimer's plan is (it should be evident to laymen like you and I by now.) to complement the rushing attack with short passing game. I have been crying out from the bottom of my lung for a year by now, how disastrous that combination is. So your job is to convince me why that short passing attack is such a good neutralizer against defenses loading up the box and crowd the LoS to stop the rushing attack. If you can convince me how short passing attack is a sure-fire antidote for defenses crowding the LoS, then we will talk.
     
  9. Hobbes3259

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    Look. 6 years 3 top flight qbs.


    No results

    Why is this even a discussion?
     
  10. Braylon4ever

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    Because they want to ignore the FACTS and embrace their own BIASED Truths.
     
  11. Barcs

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    Funny OP, actually. "The problem is not Schotty", yet doesn't mention a single good thing he's done or reason to keep him. He just shifts the blame. You might as well have made another Sanchez thread or complained in one of the 23493241 existing ones. I know Schotty does come up with some good plays, we saw it in the red zone this year, and late last year. But for every great call he makes, he makes at least 3 terrible shake my head calls.
     
  12. JUNJOBX2199

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    Making two AFCCG's has masked many problems and elevated mediocre to above average. Not only in the quarter back not being that good but the offensive scheme wasn't all that good either. Having a good running game mask plenty of issues and we were blessed to have a good running game the last couple of years. I stated it before that loosing this year was probably the best thing that could have happened to the Jets because it exposes the flaws in our team; in player personnel all the way down to the line to the head coach.

    We failed to keep quality players on the team ; regardless if they were top flight or not. You watched Tanny in the Hard knocks talk to players like "you can stay if you except pennies , otherwise we'll just cut ya!" really you want players out there to come away with the perception that the Jet don't give a rats ass about cultivating up and coming players???

    Shotty is the problem and so is Sanchez and Bart and so on and so on.


    The real [problem that made itself apparent by all of our core players going else where was we don't want to pay !
     
  13. The_Darksider

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    That was the defense, mostly. Sanchez actually came up pretty big in a couple of those playoff games too. And don't quote his yardage to me - I'm not interested. I could care less that he hasn't thrown for 200 yards. How many guys throw for 400 in a losing cause? Give me the win and a couple of clutch TDs any day.

    Schottenheimer is like a bad poker player who plays a hand based only on what he holds. No consideration is given to the other team's scheme, no consideration is given to the other team's weakenesses, nor to his own player's strengths in a lot of cases. He basically takes his plan and tries to execute it regardless of any outside factors.
     
  14. The_Darksider

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    The reason the Jets were so good in the red zone this year is because of Plaxico Burress. Unfortunately one of the main reasons they were so unsuccessful outside of the red zone is.....Plaxico Burress. The guy can't get any separation at all, and without making a circus catch on the sideline, he couldn't catch a legit ball without pushing off.

    Schottenheimer showed no ability to adjust to the players he actually has on his team. He'd rather try to force his scheme on whomever is in the starting lineup - despite the fact that he had the wrong players for it.
     
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    I dislike Sanchez, he makes me sick to my stomach.
     
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    This is true, although I did see some nice QB draw plays, and the roll out of the pocket plays worked nice. Then Schotty stopped using them. Here's the kicker. Schotty brings back the wildcat at the end of the year and we lose every game. 3rd and 20? Hey, a wildcat play to Greene! Yeah, that'll trick em!
     
  17. Acad23

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    Well, don't swallow.
     
  18. The 1985er

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    Drew Brees had two good seasons with schotty as his qb coach in 04 and 05

    Brett was playing well until he hurt his shoulder. Brett had a great 09 season but what happened in 2010 under that same system?

    Pennington was coming off an injury that should have ended his career and took a team with Justin mccarins, Coles, as his wr's, Kevin Barlow as his runningback and Chris baker as his te to 10 wins and a playoff berth. You Sanchez apologists love talking about the "lack of talent on the jets this season". Compare that to what Pennington was working with and he still played well.

    Pennington had a solid 07 but was benched due to circumstances.

    He played well in Miami in 08 but what happened in 09 under that same system?
     
  19. laxin

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    Great incite. Care to explain? Or is this some ignorant opinion based off of a gut feeling?
     
  20. Frenbar

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    Couldn't agree more. Yes it's a business, but you don't go out of your way to fuck the people you do business with at the first advantage if you want to keep the confidence of others you do business with (or may in the future). I'd rather pay a player a little more and know he was a team player and had an investment (beyond financial) in the organization that a guy who was just there to pick up a paycheck and could care less about wins and losses.
     

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