which is what mangini tried to do,and failed. schotty is the same way.thats why mangini hired him and why he should have been out with mangini
Pennington, Favre, Clemens, Sanchez. How many times does Shotty have to fail before we realize the problem isn't just the QB Favre is going to the hall of fame. Pennington was the most accurate quarterback in NFL history. What exactly does Shotty need to make it work?
And he was handcuffed by pennington and favre too. It's been 6 years of poor production. Sure he has never had a great qb in his prime but no reason for the jets to be 27th in offense this year it's time to move on. Let's face it there were at least four major problems with this offense this year, poor preparation, bad playcalling, bad quarterback play, and bad line play. Anyone who tries to say it was solely Sanchez or solely schotty is dead wrong.
There really is nothing to say, because this thread is THE TRUTH. Or was the last THE TRUTH thread THE TRUTH? What about the one before that? Getting a little fuzzy.
Well if I had to come up with a game plan for a QB with those limitations, it certainly wouldn't be to have him drop back to throw 65 times against a Giants D who's strength is putting pressure on the QB. A 3 to 1 pass to run ratio isn't doing damage control it's playing to your own weaknesses.
You guys mention bretts 09 season in minnesota but what about 2010 under that same system? How about Pennington in 2009?
this is something so many people on this board can not and will not see and realize...everyone wants to blame Schotty and not see that Mark is a bigger part of the problem
schotty has bee the guy for 6 years, 3 different QBs and this team is the slowest starting team in the NFL .... tired of hearing not sure why we start slow can't put a finger on it, will work on it...it never changes. To me that comes down to an OC, his ability to gameplan, and his ability to make adjustments. Only time they seem to open things up and play the way they are capable of is when they need to come back and all the restrictions of the short pass ground and pound offense goes out the window
Each guy played a role in the other's failures, but Schotty's offenses have been mostly mediocre over a six year run, and his inexplicable decision to shy away from the running game this season was a HUGE part of our offensive struggles. Sanchez certainly deserves plenty of criticism, but it's up to the OC to provide a solid foundation for a young QB to develop, and Schotty did everything but that this season.
I don't see how anybody can defend schottenheimer. Why is it on EVERY 3rd and 4+ we are in the fucking shotgun? That completely takes away the threat of the run and the rollout. Sanchez excels at the play-action and when he can get outside the pocket, he's not so good in the shotgun but Brian still called that formation. Why did we abandon the run so much? We come out of the half against the Giants, THREE consecutive pass plays (incomplete, incomplete, incomplete, punt) Ball at the 50 yard-line against the Giants and we throw THREE consecutive passes. We were ripping the Giants apart on the ground in the 4th quarter! Against Miami, LT was gashing the Dolphins. Yet as soon as we drive down towards the endzone Schotty goes into his bullshit spread offense and Sanchez throws a pick. No play-action at all. Why did we not take any shots down-field? Sanchez can throw the deep ball, we saw it last year with Braylon, don't tell me otherwise cause there's plenty of film on this. Not to mention, who's job is it to teach Sanchez how to read a defense better? The Offensive coordinator and the QB coach! Drew Brees mirrored Sanchez almost exactly in San Diego and look at him now. Mark has shown flashes of greatness, whether it is too late for him or not I don't know. What I do know is Brian Schottenheimer is a fucking awful offensive coordinator. His track record with QBs proves it, as does Mark Sanchez's development (or lack thereof).
"Shotty is only as effective as Sanchez allows him to be." Yep, that Jedi mind trick that Sanchez uses to keep Schotty from getting plays in on time is pretty impressive.
Yeah if Schotty is so great, then why did Brees, Rivers, Favre all struggle under Schotty, and the year Schotty left em they all had careers years?
Some of those things are true, others are products of a lot of lost confidence on the part of Sanchez. Chicken or the egg? Schottenheimer is terrible. He is like a poor poker player that looks only at his cards and plays the hand with no thought to what someone else may be holding. He tries to fit the talent to the system instead of the other way around. He doesn't make the proper adjustments a good portion of the time and it is beyond obvious that the offense is not prepared well on any level.
Great post man! Just about says it all. The right quarterback can make any OC look like a genius. I don't understand why the OC doesn't have any say when drafting a quarterback, was schotty even in the room when they came up with this idea to draft Sanchez? This is not to say schotty is a great OC, that is still very much in question, but I do think it STARTS with the QB position, though it runs deeper from there. We need a year with a good offensive line to evaluate anything further, and we certainly need a QB in here to compete with Sanchez.
Sanchez was responsible for the team shying away from its strength (running the ball) for the entire season?
