How Many Games Does An Average Quarterback Win With This Team?

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How Many Wins Does an Average QB Get for the Jets This Year?

  1. 6 or less

    13.4%
  2. 7

    2.4%
  3. 8

    29.1%
  4. 9

    13.4%
  5. 10

    27.6%
  6. 11

    7.9%
  7. 12

    0.8%
  8. 13 or more

    5.5%
  1. Calikid

    Calikid New Member

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    Rex generally doesn't ask his QB to win the game, but rather manage it. I think the Jets will bring in another major receiver next year.
     
  2. Penning10toColes

    Penning10toColes Active Member

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    Then I'm not sure why you're objecting to a lot of the blame being placed on a QB, who, in the last three games of the season in the midst of a playoff race, sucked in all three.
     
  3. Penning10toColes

    Penning10toColes Active Member

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    I should note that I am sympathetic to the argument that, given the state of the position right now, Sanchez is an average QB. I did not fully account for that when I created this thread and voted. However, I don't think you can look at what Sanchez has done over the last couple games (and much of the rest of the season) and not wonder who we could get that's better--I just don't think the league has so few good QBs that this guy represents the median.
     
  4. ToddtoBarkum

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    WITHOUT QUESTION HE MERITS A 4TH SEASON!!

    A 3rd year QB - with 1 year of college ball - needs to be DEVELOPED. Sanchez has not had a QB coach or OFF Coordinator that develops his skill set.

    Brees benched 2x as a QB in his 3rd season. - Gets traded to a team that has a quality Offensive Coordinator that DEVELOPED his skill set.

    Most NFL Qb's don't "GET IT" until their 4th season and that is with a coaching staff that DEVELOPS their QB over those years.

    IMO - Sanchez gets about 30% of the blame. 70% goes to Schotty and Cavanaugh.
     
  5. Penning10toColes

    Penning10toColes Active Member

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    It's easy to blame the coaching (and Schottenheimer should go, no doubt about that), but he's had a lot of reps. I'm pretty sure we were saying last summer that most QBs don't "get it" until their third season. So now the fourth? Is that how it's gonna be?
     
  6. PinPointPenning10

    PinPointPenning10 Well-Known Member

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    I agree. It's certainly easy to say things now like "I always hated Sanchez!" and "I told you he was terrible!" but the people saying that certainly didn't feel that way after the playoffs in 2009 or 2010. Many teams in the NFL would gladly take Sanchez over their current QB situations.
     
  7. Testaverde

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    You must be a Sanchez fanboy if you think the blame should be placed on the D. Sanchez gave them 7. Without that terrible pass, it wouldn't matter what the D aloud in the last few minutes.
     
  8. ToddtoBarkum

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    Actually if you look at the history of the NFL. - most QB's not named Rothleisbereger, Brady or Marino - don't get it until the 4h season.

    Montana, Aikman, Manning (Peyton), Favre, Rodgers, Bradshaw and if I had the time I would bet their are 7 to 10 more that I can not immediately think of that played and had the reps but in the end were COACHED and allow to DEVELOP their abilities over the first 3 to 4 years of their career.

    Schotty must Go!, but that does not mean next year Sanchez in his 4th year will be ready to become a franchise QB. Sanchez will be ahead of the curve when it comes to the coaching he needs but with a new Off coord. and QB coach Sanchez will still need another 2 years to reach or DEVELOP his potential.
     
  9. Penning10toColes

    Penning10toColes Active Member

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    I admire your patience, but I just don't have it.
     
  10. ToddtoBarkum

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    ....and who was Brees QB coach ion Sand Diego?? BRIAN SCHOTTENHEIMER

    Brees gets away from Schotty and he flourished....Come to think of it so did Pennington (come back player of the year hia 1st year in Miami) and Favre who took Vikings to the NFC Championship game against the Saints.

    Once....
    Twice....
    Three times???

    See a pattern here with Schotty?

    Let's hope next year is the FOURTH TIME
     
  11. PinPointPenning10

    PinPointPenning10 Well-Known Member

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    The problem, though, is it often feels like he hasn't improved at all since his rookie year. He still feels like the same quarterback, even though statistically he's greatly improved.
     
  12. NJJ_Jersey_Jets

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    People forget that this team has lost games when the defense completely shat the bed. Oakland, NE on the last drive, NE in the second half, Denver, damn nearly Buffalo, the Eagles, the Giants on the Cruz TD, and today when they let Matt fucking Moore drive from his own 6 in 12 minutes after a 3rd and Long conversion.
     
  13. Biggs

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    This is a pretty mediocre NFL team on both sides of the ball. That said this is a QB driven league where an elite QB makes a mediocre team a contender.

    An average QB takes this team nowhere an above average QB makes this a playoff team with a chance to contend.

    I haven't seen a great NFL team this year. I have seen teams with great QB play win a ton of games and put themselves in position to compete for the title.
     
  14. Struckanerve9

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    You sound just like all those Giants fans did the year before they won the Super Bowl. Can it with the knee jerk reactions. We need OL help, WR help, and a new OC. Then we'll see how well Sanchez does.
     
  15. MikeSLTJ23

    MikeSLTJ23 Well-Known Member

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    Flawed argument. The QB allowed that last drive to matter.
     
  16. NJJ_Jersey_Jets

    NJJ_Jersey_Jets Well-Known Member

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    What the fuck? They let the worst QB in football drive from his five and missed a potential safety that would have ended it. They shat the bed
     
  17. Struckanerve9

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    How about some examples? I've seen Houston win 10 games with TJ Yates as their QB. Is Tim Tebow a great QB? He's a pretty good FB in my opinion. Joe Flacco's numbers have been pretty mediocre and yet the Ravens are a top playoff team. Ryan Fitzpatrick has played well for Buffalo, yet their a 6 win team. Where are your examples?
     
  18. Biggs

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    I don't consider either Houston or Denver a legit contender. Houston actually made the playoffs behind Shaub at 7 and 3. They would not have made the playoffs behind their backup QB's who took them 3 and 3 down the stretch. Denver has not made the playoffs yet and they aren't a legit contender. They haven't won against a good team with Tebow. They beat Chicago without Cutler and are just as likely to go 8 & 8 and not get in as they are to go 9 & 7 and lose in the first round.

    The Ravens are going to fail if they don't get quality play out of Flacco. The usual suspects as mediocre as they are will be there in the end and they all have excellent QB's.
     
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  19. NJJ_Jersey_Jets

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    All those teams have:

    1. A great defense
    2. A great running game
    3. Good OC/coaching

    And Buffalo's problem was the lack of defense, and Jackson got hurt
     
  20. AarontheJet

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    Offense scored 13 fucking points that game, please dude your blame is misplaced.
     

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