What will Chad Pennington have to do this year to get a contract offer from the Jets?

I have to call bullshit on this one.(no personal attack here xxedge)...but.....in reading your response i got the same feeling I always do when jet fans try to be too optimistic....you say we have no offensive all-stars, which I totally agree with but we have so many options.....4 back...5 receivers...3 TE's etc....all the guys cant be on the field at the same time...so who cares how many options we have if they all turn out to be marginal to decent players....it almost reminds me of the guy playing fantasy baseball and he offers...miguel cairo,endy chavez, andy phillips and bubba crosby for vlad guerrero....add up all the stats and theyr equal ya know????? it doesnt work that way.....and Im no Chad apologist here but lets not make it seem like he has so many options that he should surprise people here.....on top of that youre hoping mangini's creativity will help bolster the offense...what does this man know about offense?? we're not sure if this rookie coach knows anything about defense yet....let alone offense.....again, I like mangini very much and hope and expect good things, but lets wait and see.....I think your post was a lot of rah rah, but to me doesnt really make me think Chad has any more of a chance to succeed this year than last or the one before that:beer:

 

Dude, I'm not a Chad guy ok? Gee Whiz.... :grin:

Nowhere in my post did I ever say I was happy that Dukwing was coming back. He is the best of a rather pathetic QB competition Mangini put together and like it or not, Chad gives us the best chance of finishing last in the AFCE with a better record than last year. Even Dan Marino in his prime couldn't QB this Jets team to the playoffs. Again, it comes down to 16 games and what percentage of those Chadwick Pennington actually participates in. If he winds up on the IRL again, then he should be done in the tristate and rightfully so.

Hope that clears things up..

 

It was directed in the direction of NYJ2K06. Sorry for the confusion. His posts of saying good about Pennington being signed past this season are what I was responding to, and thought I'd start the same way as you but rather than take a look at both sides, I'd trash the $64M waste.

 

You don't have the correct information.
The second operation was to a muscle underneath the rotator cuff, not to the rotator cuff itself. If it was two operations to the rotator cuff then I would say he's done and we should move on. But the first operation held up when Penny basically got his arm ripped out of his socket while throwing the ball. This means the first surgery has had ALOT of time to fully heal and gain its range of motion back. The second operation was much less severe and a full recovery was expected from Dr. Andrews.
If only Herm were stubborn and not let him play until halfway through last season.

 

So based on all the quaterbacks in camp and ones that were available off season through free agency.Who would you name as the starter? He has not been a mediocre qb thats a ridiculous statement.Also what about loyalty the guy was injured because of the lack of an offensive line is that his fault? The guy flourished under an idiot head coach and offensive coordinator.Give Pennington some targets instead of midgets and some protection and he shines.

All you Pennington haters where were you a few years ago?

 

I know its fashionable to trash him, but Pennington was, at one point, a very good quarterback, regardless of the fact that he has never been the best deep ball thrower in the game.

IF Pennington makes a full recovery and gets back to 02 form, are you saying you still think itd be a mistake for the jets to keep him?

And when discussing this, lets keep 2 things in mind.

One, the Pennington contract really isnt as big as some seem to think. Vince Young just got a deal worth nearly as much as Penningtons, with more gauranteed than Pennington got. Not only has he not seen a single NFL snap, but even his fans dont deny that hes a project.

Two, as hard as it is to believe that Pennington could return to his 02 form, not a single reporter is saying bad things about him. And this bunch isnt exactly known for pulling punches when it comes to Pennington and his arm. The consensus is that 06 Chad looks like pre-shoulder surgery chad. Whether or not he can hold up over a 16 game schedule remains to be seen, but there has been nothing at all so far to indicate that he isnt completely past his shoulder woes.

 

I tend to agree with both of discostu's posts. Pre second injury I thought that Penny's career could mirror Rich Gannon's, namely that he might play his best ball between 33-36, slinging very accurate passes short and medium length and playing very smart football. Now it's all up to him to stay healthy

 

If Pennington had a better year than 2002, it would be one of the greatest QB performances in NFL history.

He completed 69% of his passes for 3120 yards, 22TDs and 6 Ints in 12 games with a QB rating of 104.

I know you don't like him, but do you think anyone in the NFL will post numbers better than that this year?

You just place the bar way too high for this guy.

And to compare him to Van Pelt is absurd. Van Pelt has a career completion % of 54, did not throw for more than 3000 yards in his career, has more Ints than TDs and career QB rating of 64.

You should try to be a little objective. Why can't you admit that in 2002 and the first part of 2004 Pennington was one of the best QBs in the NFL and made the Jets a legitimate SB contender? If he returns to that level, and stays healthy, he deserves to stay and play, Clemens or no Clemens.

 

I'd say he would have to learn to throw beyond 10 yards.

 

2k06 - you're not really wrong. The structure of the contract makes it a one-year deal in essence. If we don't cut him at the end of this year, then over the length of the contract he roughly makes the same amount he would have made before the restructuring. So you are right, this is a one year tryout for him and your question is a good one.

Honestly, I dont know. If he has a 100 QB rating, stays healthy and we win 8 games, I think it would be impossible to cut him. I think if we win less than six games and he has a 75 Qb rating or is injured for more than two games I think we will definitely cut him. So somewhere in there is your answer.

 

Objectivity? You're the biggest Chad homer on this board and you complain about objectivity? You see Chad as some candidate for Canton. I don't and never will unless he PROVES IT ON THE FIELD. Sorry JWWS, I'm not giving Dukwing a pass.

The VanPelt comparison was to say that Chad will be a capable backup IF he cannot stay on the field for one season.

Let me say this again since you Chaddies just don't seem to get it. Chad has to play ONE SEASON. Just one lousy season. 16 games in a row. Good, bad or otherwise. I don't care if Chad has a built in excuse every year, 21-15 wasn't worth $64million nor does it justify keeping a promising kid on the bench in the hope that Chad can return to his 2002 or his 2004 form. Again, Chad hasn't won jack yet. No SB's, no AFC championships, nada in the big picture. He even had the gall to call out his fan base with absolutely NOTHING on his resume.

Now before you go into how great 21-15 is for a Jets QB, lets put the green koolaid down for a bit and look at it. 21-15. 6 games better than mediocre. ONE SEASON with a great QB rating. Forgive me for not being impressed at all.

You really think in 2002 and 2004, the Jets were a legitimate SB contender? If so, then what happened? Where was the AFC Championship appearance? Didn't happen did it? The Raiders came up with an adjustment that Hackett could'nt counter nor Pennington could adjust to. In 2004, he may or may not have been undone by his anally restrictive coaching staff but in the long run, the Great QB's, as you would love to convince us Pennington is, take teams to the next level. Pennington hasn't done it yet NOR can he stay on the field long enough to convince me he can do it anytime soon.

You're a Jets fan just like me. You grasp at anything to make yourself feel better. Since 21-15 is as great an accomplishment as 2 playoff losses in 5 years, I'm not surprised one bit.

You might want to try not being such a homer. Maybe then, 21-15 won't be enough to get a QB into Canton..

 

He'll have to play all 16 games and win atleast 8 to 10 of them and be very productive!

 

2500 yds and 25 TDs

 

Isn't Penny Curtis's age now?

 

Yeah, he caught up.

 

Chad is 30 and Curtis is 33 but I'm sure Chad's shoulder feels older than both of them!

 

Playoffs atleast, and stay healthy.