That's not me at all.... I've been at this for almost 40 years, I wouldn't be spoiled until people started calling my team a dynasty after 3+ Super Bowls..... I'm simply analyzing QB play.
I went looking for stats on winning percentage for a Qb. Funny, I could not find that in the individual player stats section. There is a record on the team's won lost record for the games the Qb started, but that's not the same as the other individual stats. (I guess that one is more about how the TEAM does when that Qb starts, as compared to when he does not, but I admit taking a huge guess here.) There was a team stats section on winning percentage, though. It's called the TEAM's winning percentage. Sometimes it is called the TEAM's won lost record. Am I not looking in the right place? While we are on the subject, how about for other player positions? Is there a Free Safety winning percentage stat? I guess if so there must also be one for #3 wideouts, right? Where do they break it off? Like, is there one for backup Qb's? Players who dressed but DNP? Oh wait! It was right in front of my nose! It's a team stat! I get it!
Are you really that gone at this point? The Jets have had good defenses in the past. They've had strong running games. They've had good QB's. They've had good red zone offenses. They have never had a QB who won at the percentage that Mark Sanchez is winning right now. Do you really believe that that's just an accident? A freak event? Do you really believe that Mark Sanchez contributes nothing to the games the Jets win and that they'd win those games without him? It's just sad at this point. You're so pissed off that Mark Sanchez is not turning into Peyton Manning that you can't recognize that he's actually quite a successful QB given the limitations that he's playing under.
You've misread. I am just annoyed by stupid arguments that take a team's won lost record and lay it all on the Qb. It is a team sport, there are 11 starters on both sides of the ball, special teams, the CS, etc... If you had come up with better arguments and did not have to wonder how to defend your weaker ones, you might have had time to realize that I never said the Qb has no relation to how well the team does. "contributes nothing" is a straw man. I concede it is a pet peeve of mine to have people argue that in effect the Qb is the only player who gets credit and blame for the team's won lost percentage. But that's because I am right and it is annoying to see people like yourself who think you deserve to have your arguments taken seriously making that kind of argument.
Plus if you had any sense of humor and did not take yourself so seriously, you would have seen my questions about won lost percentages for other players as pretty funny.
The one thing that's a constant in a lot of the things i've read about other QB's in the league critiquing Sanchez is that they feel he is being handcuffed by the coaching staff. This is not only a knock on Schotty but on Rex also. I think it's time for Rex to sit down with Schotty and Sanchez and tell Mark that this is his team and it's in his hands. I've had a problem with the handling of Sanchez by this coaching staff for a while now. They ran scared after thinking they were going to be "air Coryell" and saw it wouldn't work.Now don't misunderstand what i'm saying and think i'm looking for us to start throwing the ball all over the field but I think Sanchez has to start having more input in the plays called by this offense and Schotty needs to realize that Mark is at his best when he is rolled out of the pocket. Its like Pennington said,when the game is put in his hands he wins,you can't argue with his success. I think either Rex and Scotty have to realize that this QB is not a rookie and must be given the leadership and responsibility he deserves and also start realizing his strenghts and play to them otherwise we're gonna be in desperate need of a new offensive coordinator next season if this kid is ever gonna live up to his potential.
Honestly...... I think it's Rex Ryan. You can't seriously discount THAT. I think Rex has squeezed every ounce of talent that he could out of what we have had here and I completely believe that if Rex Ryan went to Tampa that the Bucs would have been in playoff games and would have had a lot more success... Like Rex, I believe San Diego would have had a Super Bowl by now as well. I wouldn' trade Rex Ryan for ANY coach in the entire NFL...... Sanchez? I'd probably trade for half the QB's out there or more as well as the #1 QB in this coming draft, maybe more.
I think having a top QB like Brady/Manning that sucks the life out of a team to the tone of $20M/yr kind of sucks. Manning hasn't had any kind of defense and never will. I mean, if you don't mind paying $250 a game to watch ONE guy play or have your ENTIRE team identity about just ONE player then fine. I prefer a B+ QB that still allows (requires?) a talented team around him that's fun to watch on many levels. Having that killer defense 2 years ago was really fun, made for a lot of highlight reals. Having Holmes and Plex makes for fun too. I'd rather have a B+ QB and a team filled with lots of characters.
On top of that, you better hope your $20M QB is durable. Manning was for years so it was a non-issue in Indy, but look what happens when you lose the guy for a stretch.
Why is it that Sanchez gets us to the title games, but this year everyone is saying our defense and run game aren't as good as what they were the last 2 years? Can we please face reality? Our Defense, and run game got us to the playoffs the last 2 years, and Sanchez managed the games. Actually, was managed the last 2 years (RED, YELLOW, GREEN). This year Sanchez is being exposed because the run game isn't there.
Sanchez was the best player on the field for the Jets in the two championship game losses. If his team mates had played at the level he did the Jets would have gone to a Super Bowl both seasons.
It makes me laugh to see people take away how dynamic he was in those games. The media doesn't give him the credit either. No one tackled last january, and the injures against Indy in 09 killed them.
Am I missing something, did it say this sunday will be Sanchez's 50th start as a Jet? Edit: nevermind, forgot to count playoff games. How many games did he play in college, 16? Hes got 50 NFL starts? Wow, time is flying.
I hear and read this all the time. What exactly are you expecting? Aside for his accuracy which is not improving at the rate I would like, he's pretty much where I would expect. The NFL QB is the hardest position to play in all of sports; it's not even close. Most guys don't figure it out until they turn 30 and that's if they survive that long. I think Aaron Rogers is causing people to forget that.
I said Mark HELPED us get there. 2 years ago it was the D and running game, last year it was the D and the QB, this year the QB has kept us alive despite everything crumbling around him. He wasn't the reason we lost either game but to be fair he didn't do much in the '09 title game after that great bomb to Edwards and when we lost Greene there went our offense.
