Those of us watching the game on television are often just shown where the ball is / going and not how plays really develop. We saw Sanchez force many passes into double and even triple coverage on occasion. You would think if a receiver has multiple defenders on him, then someone else is usually open. Was that the case yesterday? Or were receivers not getting any separation anywhere (or the classic stupid routes where they all get traffic jammed near each other allowing defenders to slide over to the targeted receiver)? The interception thread shows what a poor design call that play really was, but we can't blame everything on Schottenheimer. Despite the 4 TDs and the 4th qtr comeback, Sanchez's overall performance, particularly reads and accuracy were concerning. Like I said though, the TV only shows half the game.
This is such a misconception. There are very few times that a player is actually being covered by two people. Many times a quarterback needs to throw it in between two players zones and one the receiver catches the ball it makes it look like the QB made a bad decision. I really didn't see much bad decision making by Sanchez. Even on the first drive when he almost got picked off, Plax had one on one man coverage at the time and took a chance with a deep throw down field like everyone on this forum always asks him to make. Another thing I have a problem with is that when a player throws the ball into double coverage like this its a bad decision and the Wide Receiver made a great play, but when Aaron Rodgers does it, its a great throw with pinpoint accuracy In terms of route combos, I wasn't high enough up to comment on that. I wish fans had the opportunity to get those tapes. I would really love to review that kind of stuff.
the issue yesterday was that the corner was playing under becasue he had safty help over the top. If we ever ran a fucking go or fly instead of draggs and slants the saftey would have to respect the deep rout. This would allow us hit underneath routs against a zone. But we are forced to (lack of pass protection) or dont have the ability to design plays (our OC is a dip-shit) that take advantage of zone coverage.
I've been hoping for years that the all-22 would be released to the public. I'd even pay for some kind of extra NFL package to get it ..... but seems like it'll never happen. Wall Street Journal had a cool article about it but it's one of the very few articles that focus on camera vision that shows all players on field being made public. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203716204577015903150731054.html
I'd love to see the overhead images of our route combos. Watching on TV often too often it appears as though our WRs are routes at the same depth on the same side of the field.
very good topic... i too would love to be able to get a better view of what our routes look like whenever anyone criticizes schotty its usually the play 'calling' thats criticized... a lot of times it seems like the play 'design'... i really think this guy does not know how to draw up routes that will get our receivers open... it seems rediculous to say that a professional play caller cant do this but he really gives more reasons to believe this than not... still waiting for a slant and go to holmes......... btw
Try this? COACHES FILM Watch the game like a coach. Exclusive access to special NFL game cameras lets you go inside the plays like never before. https://gamerewind.nfl.com/nflgr/secure/packages
NFL rewind is worth the subscription price BUT, and this is a big BUT.... you can only see a few plays from the coaches cam/all 22 film. not all of them or even most of them
They showed Plax and Holmes running at 1/2 speed on some of their routes..How can you get open/separation running lazy routes? And does anyone remember the Hard Knocks episode when Namath was in with the coaches and he mentioned the WRs weren't their routes at full speed in practice? and they should. This falls on the WR coach Ellard as much as anyone else..as well as Schotty and Rex...
IF you do not want to say that Sanchez threw into double coverage so be it ----but he made real bad choices yesterday. He made throws that were horrendous yesterday---see the INT for one , there were 3 Bills there :sad: I cannot sugar coat it ,,he had a nice game winning drive but Plax made a ridiculous catch to bail Sanchez and us out on that drive! PS I am not sure who had a worse day Sanchez or Shotty ? The Bills were begging us to run the ball and COULD NOT STOP US, I understand Greene is banged up but for Shotty to not abuse The Bills rush defense was unreal.
np... its still worth the price, you also get alot of other angles... if you'd want to watch the game again, with a bit more insight its worth the price. just wanted to clarify, its not as aweseome as seeing everything from the coaches cam
I was there. Here are a few issues. 1- A few times there are routes where the receivers aon the same side are running the same routes just a few yards away from each other. No Spacing. 2- It seems as if the defense knows EXACTLY where the breaks on the routes are going to happen. this has been going on for quite sometime. See my thread on the same routes every week. 3- Seperation could be better. Again, Generic routes.
I was upstairs from the end zone angle. To me it was a combination of guys not getting open and Sanchez throwing behind receivers. A few times, when he was almost picked by the guys cutting under the routes, had he gone over the top he might have completed a few of them. Some of the catches, particularly Plaxico at the end, the ball was also off target and the receivers saved it. Regarding throwing into double coverage, a lot of times the safety runs to where the ball is thrown, so by the time the ball gets there you have two defenders. Especially on the longer routes.
To be able to watch games from an all 22 perspective would allow fans to have a much more accurate idea of what goes on. When it comes to the perception that Mark throws into double/triple coverage, I think it ends up looking that way because of the timing of his throws. It's all about split seconds, and when defensive players have a moment to react, then they will get closer to the reception point and the camera will show more players around the ball. There's definitely a lot more zone out there than people think. If Sanchez throws a post against man under coverage, you'll likely see one or 2 safeties, a corner, and maybe even a linebacker on the TV screen when the camera shows the pass being picked off...er, I mean caught by the receiver.... It's vanilla coverage that every team sees every week, but how quickly the QB sees it and throws the ball (and the other routes being run to draw coverage away) will determine if it works or not, and if we think he threw into triple coverage.
