And Giant fans used to boo Phil Simms, too. It's a difference in team culture. Imagine if the Chadster had been the Giants' Qb. He would have been run out of town long before you still had Chad Fans going on and on here and elsewhere about how smart Chadwick was. So? Eli had his fundamentals down long before this point in Sanchez's career. Sanchez still throws off is back foot way too often, and doesn't know how to move in the pocket.
Mark is on pace for 22 TDs and it took Eli 4 years to win a playoff game and he's only won playoff games in one postseason.
I was aware of this before reading this thread, but I'm glad someone had it posted. Just goes along with what I (and other Sanchez supporters) have been saying.. he's 2.5 years into his career, he's far from a finished product, and he's being forced to work with a complete jackass as his OC. Coughlin realized a change needed to be made and he did it, and ever since Eli has progressed really well and gotten better. Rex absolutely has to do the same and get this joke out of here before he permanently ruins Sanchez's career and sends the Jets into a downward spiral.
Another game or 2 like they've been playing and Schottenheimer will officially be an alchemist by turning sanchez into david carr....gold into a quivering pile of shit.
How anyone can even try to defend Sanchez the day after he shit the bed against the awful Broncos is beyond me. Let this loser suck this loss in. This bottom 10 QB is really killing the team right now along with many other ones as well. But hey, good QBs cover up holes and can win despite them. Something Sanchez hasn't been able to do this year....
What I'm most scared of..IMO, the kid can play. He can make the throws, he may have blunders every now again, but he's being hamstrung by a stubborn OC that refuses to adapt in game and follow common sense. "Oh, their team has a great front 7, they'll NEVER expect us to run at them the whole game!" "Oh, my QB throws best on the run and our OL hasn't been up to snuff? Lets throw short from the pocket and run three screens for the entire game" Give Sanchez Braylon or any other number one and let him open it up a little. How many times are three receivers running 10 yard routes within 6 yards of each other? Even bumping into each other? We are not the fucking Patriots, don't run that shit. It happens time and time again. WRs will bunch down the field, so two of them in a small area and with them comes multiple defenders. Couple that with constant short routes with no deep threat and you'rs BEGGING DBs to jump routes. The crowding leads to tipped balls and clean route jumps. Blunders by Schotty. Makes no damn sense.
Hit a QB early and hard and it'll affect him all game. Sanchez was being speared in the back by Miller, hard hits by he and Dumervil. Sanchez had happy feet and was scared for a lot of the game and that forced early throws and bad decisions. Their Dline is really dominant. They don't get as much media attention but their front four can bring the heat, especially with Ferguson deciding not to show up this entire week and Hunter being Hunter.
Any front 4 can bring the heat against this Oline though sadly. The Pats probably doubled their sacks just by playing us. Not to mention, the refs let Denver constantly hit Mark 2 seconds after the throw and didnt even throw a flag. You can guarantee if that was Brady or Rodgers, there would of been flags.....There is no consistency in the NFL at all.
That Miller spear was very Ngata-esque though, should definitely see a fine, even though that doesn't help us -_-. Just rather annoying that they keep missing these calls on Marky Mark.
I've heard some people say how Eli has only won in 1 postseason and how it was some sort of fluke...Who the hell cares??? He won the superbowl!!! Not only that but he did it against what many people consider to be the greatest team of all time. At least top 5. And he also played lights out and carried his team throughout that postseason. His defense stepped up in the superbowl but Eli more than did his part. Sanchez winning 4 road playoff games doesn't even come close to Eli Winning a superbowl, not even close.
Will you post this again after Eli posts the 4700+ yard and 30+ touchdown season he's on pace for? Get real. Eli Manning is a legitimate upper echelon QB, even if he's not a Brady-Manning-Rodgers-Brees elite. The 2004 class (Rivers [every other year anyway], Roethlisberger, and Eli) are the clear NFL second tier.
I think the point is not that Sanchez is only in his 3rd year but rather he has not improved one single aspect of his game, one single ioda. And that cant be on the OC completely.
I don't think that's true. I mean, he has improved his sliding technique a great deal since he was a rookie! Seriously though, saying he has not improved at all since he was a rookie is foolish and not fair. He has definitely gotten better, he just hasn't improved the amount we would all like to see, and for that I absolutely can blame the offensive coordinator, specifically the garbage system he has in place that Sanchez and these guys have to play in.
I agree with this.. but the point is that Eli didn't do anything at the point in his career that Sanchez is at now, as evidenced by their nearly identical stats. And when Eli got to the playoffs the first time he absolutely shit the bed and played one of the worst games you'll ever see.. and it was at home against a team they were supposed to beat.
Some of you are fucking retarded. Why are there so many that over react in this fan base? How are so many so delusional? It blows my mind. Here is a thought, some of you need to stop trying to make everything seem so simple. It's not. Those that are bashing Sanchez are not taking into consideration a lot of factors that are playing into his game. - A shitty OL is the biggest problem. - Not having a legitimate deep threat hurts - Our run game is very inconsistent - He is facing pressure and constantly getting hit on a very consistent basis (something he hasn't really had to worry about since being here until this season) - Predictable play calling is really taking away from this strengths. Despite all of that, he is still producing numbers similar to last year. His production is not God awful. He is not ruining our chance to win every game. So much bullshit from this fanbase doesn't help anything.
You hit all the major points. When QB's get good support and don't progress it's a huge issue. When things go to hell around them and there are no grownups in the room to start to put things back together they're going to look bad. All I had to see was an undrafted rookie free agent who wasn't even in camp with the Jets at the start playing center against the Baltimore Ravens to realize that this was going to be a rollercoaster season at best. My main concern right now is that Sanchez get out of the season healthy.
Mike Honcho....thats a good point...but in his 3rd year didn't eli still show the potential to carry his team and be a very good qb?? I really dont know, I havn't watched the giants much at all (dolphins fan). Either way, like I've been saying, give the kid 1 more year under a new OC and see what happens. I dont expect him to improve that much but its worth a shot. He obviously had potential coming out of college.
Predicatable play calling is the bs complaint of the Sanchez defenders. Particularly given the percentage of times he kills plays himself. And also the same fanbase defenders complain that Schotty is too cute with too many trick plays. Can't have it all. But more to the point none of your mentioned factors address his lack of progress, his poor reading of defenses, his holding on to the ball too long, his throwing off his back foot, his poor movement in the pocket, his poor accuracy, his poor choices leading to interceptions, his lack of concentration leading to unforced fumbles, his locking on receivers, and on and on. Plus, he took responsibility for the loss himself. I suppose he was lying. He's just not that good and he's not getting any better. Face it.
