Identifying the Cracks: The Offensive Line by Bassett on October 3rd, 2011 at 11:47 am “If we don’t identify the cracks, we’re going to keep on having the same problems. I don’t know who’s going to fix it, but somebody’s got to man up and say, ‘Hey, we’ve got to get this done. (Cut) the dumb stuff.’” – Derrick Mason So where are all the cracks that Mason is talking about? Let’s talk about it in cause and effect fashion. We’ll start this series with what we think was the most important reason and the first domino to fall, then continue on throughout the day and tomorrow with the other following reasons on why this team can’t get out of their own way. First off, as currently constituted, the Offensive Line is terrible. It pains me as much to write it as it does to have you read it, but last year the Jets had a very good offensive line and they had two quality backups that were able to kick in when needed. While the backups were never starter quality for this team, they’d do in a pinch … and with the relative health of the Jets OL unit for the past three years, the Jets OL was rarely, if ever pinched. Even with the talented skill players the team had, the strength of the offensive unit was undoubtedly the offensive line. They had three former first rounders at the most important spots (Brick, Mangold, Woody) and then two players that were groomed by the organization … one a veteran (Moore) who had been holding his own for years while the other was fresh meat (Slauson) who played for OL Coach Bill Callahan in college and whom was conveniently sandwiched between two of their young cornerstones. Cimini stumped loudly for Brandon Moore to be considered as one of the best guards in the league, and while we think Moore’s good … we do think that the constant extolling of Moore’s virtues last year was starting to ring a little hollow by January. Moore’s good, but let’s not get carried away … he’s not exactly Steve Hutchinson reborn. In summation, the line was good, but not to be confused with great. Fast forward to 2011. The Jets OL has a reputation that has carried them through some of their moves early in the year respective to the unit. The Jets cut Right Tackle Damien Woody to make a change at one of their most vital spots. Conventional wisdom was that the Jets would bring back Woody at a reduced salary, but it never happened. Then there was a buzz that Ducasse might be the man for the spot. But that had to be a frightening notion – even to the Jets. There was a thought that maybe cutting Woody was another “cut him a year too early” move like the team made with Alan Faneca … not a bad thought, but at the tackle spot it was riskier. From what I hear, Woody didn’t return because of any hesitance on his part. By every indication, he wanted to come back and play – but the Jets were just not serious about having him do so. Strike one. And so the Jets chased Nnamdi Asomougha at the start of the free agency period, to the neglect of their offensive line. In what seemed at the time a calculated move, the Jets promoted their career backup Wayne Hunter (who’s already 30) and whom in his limited time as a starter or replacement never overly impressed me to become the new full-time starter at the Right Tackle spot. Then to make matters worse, the Jets lost Rob Turner in the preseason’s first game. Strike two. If claxon alarms weren’t going off in the Jets front office at that point … But the Jets continue to ignore the issue. Plowing on with increasing lower level talent in backup spots. The Jets are forced to fully retool their bench from a year ago behind Vlad Ducasse, who’s no an inspiring figure – to anyone. Once Turner was out, that was the sign to many fans that any pretense about this unit’s dominance was eroding … and just an injury away from sheer panic. But the Jets made no major moves despite what appeared to be serious concerns about the unit’s readiness. What made matters with Turner worse was that they let the string play out for over a month, keeping a roster spot for him, before ultimately shelving him for the season just about a week ago. The Jets should have either fished or cut bait … but they decided to do both … crippling their ability to add a veteran to the roster during the cutdown process only to shelve him for the year just weeks later. The initial diagnosis was that Turner should be coming back to the field in the coming days … over-optimism, I suppose. Across the field last night, the Ravens took a different approach during the preseason. Veteran Center Matt Birk was injured and the Ravens sought to bolster their line’s depth. While other teams were cutting players like Bryant McKinnie and Andre Gurode, the Ravens snapped up the two talented vets. Both players played last night in the game – both players were instrumental in establishing the Ravens line of scrimmage. While no one is going to send Gurode and McKinnie to the Pro Bowl, the Ravens strategy of shoring up their line sure looked like it’s working out better than whatever the Jets have been doing this year – especially since Turner’s injury. Once Mangold went out, the roof officially caved in for the Jets. Strike three. And yet the Jets are still sitting amongst the debris. Instead of bringing in a veteran to help out, the Jets have entrusted an undrafted rookie at the Center spot who they found off waivers just weeks ago as a player who touches the ball on each and every offensive play of the game. Blame who you want about the missed snaps last night, but remember that Baxter’s just a soldier carrying out orders the best he can. It’s not working, and it hasn’t worked since Baxter was forced to play against the Jaguars, but the Jets just keep inexplicably doing it hoping for better results. Here’s a fact, Baxter has not played well, and beyond poor play, he’s also distracting his other line-mates from their true assignments, putting Mark Sanchez in harm’s way. Sorry, but Sanchez isn’t yet the sort of player to rise above the chaos going on in front of him yet. Maybe someday, but not today. In desperation, the Jets tried Slauson at Center for a bit last night, and while it wasn’t horrific, Vlad Ducasse sabotaged using Slauson there. Shortly thereafter, Sanchez was doing rocksplosions with Colin Baxter while practicing their snaps on the sideline. After the game Ryan said they were letting Baxter compose himself – but the truth is evident. The Jets would rather play Colin Baxter at Center than have their supposed #1 backup Vlad Ducasse in the game in any capacity. A kick in the balls would feel better than knowing that fact. It is a painful realization of just how far this unit has fallen from grace. Yet I still wonder if the Jets even get it. So, what’s to be done now? How do they fix the cracks, or in this case, the gaping holes? Even if Mangold can play next week, it doesn’t address all the line’s problems. They can’t go back in time and un-IR Turner – which means that they’re still very susceptible to injuries across the line. Given the prospect of having Vlad Ducasse or a healthy Rob Turner play Left Tackle in the event of a Ferguson injury … who would you have rather played there? I know my answer. Even when Mangold was playing, the offensive line wasn’t generating a push to run the ball effectively – and so the Jets have been forced to throw it. If they are spending more time pass protection, this then means their linemen are going to take more of a beating over the rest of the season. Most lineman secretly hate pass protection for that very reason. Like it or not, the Jets need to add one or two veteran depth players at the OL spot – even if just as backups to post-pre-emptively stem the tide against further injuries. Rewind back to the draft for a moment. Remember hearing buzz that the Jets were serious about drafting an offensive lineman? Wayne Hunter is a big part of the reason they must have considered it. Vlad too. Wayne Hunter has gotten off easy in this post, but there’s no mistaking that he is a big part of dragging this unit down. He’s not getting the proper road grading push for a true Right Tackle, and he’s a detriment in pass protection if up against an athletic end. This then means the Jets need to re-deploy more resources (How much time was Mulligan on the right side of the line last night? Like every play?) to his side. If the Jets can find someone off the free agent wire who they think has a remote chance at challenging Hunter at the Right Tackle spot, then they need to put the players through their paces for the starting spot. I know it’s more chaos and more drama for the team mid-season but if the Jets’ are actually serious about their stated goal of getting to the Super Bowl, then there’s no way this unit as currently constituted can take them there. The picking might be slim, but are they any worse than what we’ve already seen?
Anybody got a list of FA's out there? and/or teams with a lot of o-line depth the Jets might be able to trade with?
I have to agree 100% with this article... we took a big big risk in both promoting Hunter to the starting line-up and having a bunch of no names at backup. Sure making the Hunter move made sense. Woody was coming off a major injury at 33 and Hunter was coming off some strong post season performances... but we don't have 1 backup on the OL that's ready to come in and contribute if called upon (either because of injury or in a 6 man front). This isn't an attack on Schlauderaff and Baxter, it's not their fault if they're UDRFA who haven't been to camp with the Jets in a shortened off-season... Ducasse is a bit more responsable as he should be at least be able to come in as a jumbo TE... but to me the main culprit is either Tanny or the CS, whoever felt comfortable with 2 UDRFA added on September + Ducasse as backups. Plus keep in mind Moore is coming off hip surgery @ 30... not exactly what you hope for... Let's also keep in mind we got rid of Hartsock (penalty machine sure but the guy knew how to block) for Mulligan who also was an unknown in terms of pass protection (and imo has largely failed). Having Turner would've really helped us imo... plug him next to Hunter as a jumbo TE instead of Mulligan and Sanchez would be a lot safer. The big mistake was not going after a guy like Gurode or another veteran player that could step in that position once he went to IR. Hopefully they'll correct this mistake... Tanny hates giving good money to back-ups but this time he might be forced to... PS You think Baxter is a more talented player with more potential than Felix? Great, go and get him and hope Mangold doesn't get hurt... but if Mangold gets hurt (like he did) go and sign a guy who has played C the whole off-season (and last year on the PS) for the Jets!!! It's mind boggling they didn't do it...
It sucks, but the article is right on point. Tannenbaum failed when it comes to the offensive line. They gambled on Hunter, and have lost. They gambled on Ducasse with a high draft pick, and lost. They gambled on Baxter being able to step in, and lost. Speaking of our drafts, it isn't just Ducasse who has been a failure. The last 2 drafts in retrospect have been questionable at best. We've drafted 2 RB's in the 4th round and they have a combined 6 carries this year. Our 3rd round pick this year is inactive every game. I understand the need to groom players for the future, but this is a team that was built to also win right now, like this year. And we get little to no production from two straight draft classes, excluding Wilson (who was invisible last year but looks good so far this year) and Wilkerson (who looks good this year). It's a big reason why our depth is what it is right now.
We had good drafts in 06, pretty good in 07, and haven't had a decent draft since... so, the lack of depth isn't surprising to me at all. Seriously, Vlad Ducasse? Really? How do you justify burning a 2nd round pick on that guy? HOW?
I've thought this question since week 1. But I think another key to our line's success the last few years was having played together. I don't know that bringing in someone new and unfamiliar is necessarily the answer either.
wouldnt mind the jets taking a look at anthony becht at the right tackle spot. or atleast pick him up as a blocking te.
Every single one of our draft picks from 2009 is starting. You may not feel they're quality starters, but the fact they're starting certainly qualifies as a "decent" draft.
There were only 3 picks and two of them were in top 65. Plus we had inside knowledge of Slauson because he coached him at Nebraska.... so you're point, while well taken, has an asterisk next to it IMHO.
I would like the draft classes to get bigger........ Anyway you really can not judge 2010 and 2011 just yet. At least we have seen significant improvement out of Wilson, that makes 2010 a hell of a lot more palatable. 2011 looks fine so far. Before anyone mentions Ellis, he was a small school NT. He will get his chance, he has a ton of talent. Give it time, there are tons of NT's around the league, that were red shirted and turned out to be studs..........
To be somewhat reasonable, we can't have depth and talent everywhere. We spent money to resign cro, to bring in plax, resign the core four, etc. It took a string of events from last season to get where we are now (Woody not coming back, Mangold injury, rob turner injury). Yeah it seems strange. I guess Mcknight was supposed to be our replacement for Leon Washington but realistically we don't use him on offense at all because we've got Tomlinson. Powell was a strange guy to draft in that position considering our needs, but who knows maybe he will be great. Or maybe the Jets are planning on cutting bait with Greene this season if he does poorly? He has some kind of clause in his contract to pay him more in his fourth year: http://www.fantasysp.com/player/nfl/Shonn_Greene/390869 Rookies coming in starting this year are cheaper iirc, so it might make financial sense to get rid of Greene soon if he doesn't perform? Maybe someone who knows more about contracts/the cap could fill us in on that angle.
we've taken a step back in terms of starters, and our oline depth is non-existent. Can anything be done at this point? Are veterans like O'hara healthy and ready? Totally agree with the article in reference to guys like Gurode and Watters. I thought for sure the Jets would look at players like those for stop gaps and depth.
So I'm not the only one that sees Mulligan as a liability... JennyVrentas Jenny Vrentas TE Brandon Manumaleuna will visit Jets tmrw, source says. And he might not be only TE. Jets looking for protection help at position. #nyj That would be a good signing.
Yeah, Tannenbaum's lack of moves in free agency really killed us in regards to the offensive line. We definitely needed to address the line through free-agency because our depth was crap. I think this year being frugal in the FA market really bit us in the ass. If we don't address any of this shit, we're out of the Super Bowl contenders for this year for sure.
Vlad, welcome to the defensive line. You don't have to think as much, and you can use that bull rush that helps you in run blocking.
Everyone here makes it seem like the Jets had cap room to bring in quality O-linemen. Are we forgetting the Jets had to resign Cro, Harris, Holmes, a #2 WR after extending Brick, Mangold and Revis?? Sure, they could've drafted an OL first round but then who'd be starting at DE? This problem isn't easily solved, the OL is just flat out underperforming and it ain't Tannenbaums fault.