Wondering what our offensive philosphy will look like... This offseason we have heard all about the switch to the 3-4, and talked a ton about what our defense will look like, but, having seen a few interviews with 'Lil Schott & Mangini, watching every Jets Nation, reading everything I can get my hands on, I still don't know what the hell we are going to run. The best I can piece together is some hybrid of the West Coast and Spurrier's offense... What do you guys think? Does it depend on who wins the QB job? Is it possible that we have two offenses on tap, depending on who is QB? This is a strange offseason, coming into camp; we have always known what they were going to run, whether is was Hackett's ridiculously conservative WC offense, or even Heimerdinger, who was supposed to "open it up" (lasted two quarters, unfortunately), but this year... shoot, I got nothing. I understand we will not be able to tell much on precedent, since our OC has never called a play in a game, and our HC has never HC'd a minute, but there has got to be some idea of what it is... I am intersted to see what you guys think... Sanpete
One would expect the same offensive philosophy, of low turnovers, few penalties, run the ball and give ourselves a chance to win. With a QB that can't throw the ball longer than 10 yards in the air and an offensive line that cannot pass block and has not been able to protect the passer in 6 years despite the high emphasis on the running game a conservative offense is the only solution. Just like the last 5 years its the only offense this team can play and give itself a reasonabale chance of winning. This offensive philosphy allowed a below average rebuilding team to remain competitive the last 5 years and its the only chance for us to remain competitive this year. People may hate conservative offenses or not just simply don't have the patience to watch them but when you don't have the skill players, QB and the offensive line to run something different its your only chance.
I agree that with a young offensive line and the personnel we have, a conservative approach is probably in the offing, but wouldn't you think that would change with a strong armed QB under center? (say if Ramsey is the starter) This is the first year in awhile we may have a different QB with a different skill set under center week 1...
I agree with a QB that has the ability to make more throws it would certainly alow us to would expand the playbook. With Chad as QB we have had to pretty much eliminate all out patterns from playbook and limit our 2 minute offense to mainly dump passes and throws over the middle. Ramsey also has much better pocket presence than Chad. But as much as we all put down Chad's arm strength and how much it limits the offense its not like anyone else has done anywhere near as well he has done in this offense. Chad may not be able to move around well but he has been quite good at dumping the ball off and advoiding sacks. It really makes one wonder how Chad would have done the last 4 years in a offense with a decent offensive line. As much as we have run the ball the last 5 years its amazing how bad the protection has been in passing situations. Part of that is obviously defenses not worrying about Chad beating them with his arm but the other part has been just plain poor pass protection and lack of quality skill players.
Get used to having a coach who doesn't give our game plan away. We're going to maximize our talent in the context of what the defenses strength's and weaknesses are.
from what ive read/heard from accountable sources, our offense will be somewhere inbetween the west coast and the fun and gun offense. i think u'll see an offense based off the running game, cuz mangini knows running the ball wins games. lol remember herms quote, "you pass the ball to score points, you run the ball to win games". but yeah, you'll see a ground game based offense, with a hybrid offense with a little bit of both the west coast and the fun and gun.
Don't get me wrong, I LOVE that aspect of this regime. I, along with what I am sure are many other Jets fans, are looking forward to not giving our gameplan (or lack thereof) away every week. I was more trying to get in a discussion on what we might be running. (WC, Zone blocking or man up, formation wise, etc.) Chad's strength, when healthy, is the play action pass, and his tremendous ability for deception with the ball. In order for that to work, you have to be able to run the ball successfully, obviously. Thinking back to the Jets San Diego game from last year (We'll miss you #80) remember a lot of play action, and Brees with similar arm strength to Penny (better yes, but similar) throwing in the seams a lot, and obviously using the tight end. Course we don't have LT or Gates, but I would expect a lot of play action, counters, misdirection runs and creative screens (something we USED to do very well, and haven't done well in quite some time) All that said, I love the idea of attacking a defense on a week to week basis, being flexible in your O system to be able to do that, and agree that is what the O coaching staff wants to do. Whether or not we SEE that, is obviously another question. I think we all saw that Heimerdinger, although we pretty much all liked the signing (not saying much, considering the hump he was replacing) was the wrong O coodinator for the players we had on offense. Just hopeful that this OC is... course, won't know until we strap it on and go for real...
"Any offense that will win us a World Championship I would think. Does that answer your question?" Cjets '69 - Excellent. If only it were that easy. You are by far and away, my favorite darksider. Not only because your takes remind me so much of my Uncle, who I have had season seats with for 15 years (darksider of the first order), but because I respect the fact that you have been with this team for 40 plus years, which earns you the right to say "if we don't win the whole thing, the season is a failure". You have earned that right. Funny, there is a great article in the Post today, by Vaccaro I believe, about fan suffering in this town, and I thought of you...(after I thought of my uncle)how the new Yankee fans (born '86 or after) have never had it bad, and therefore, boo A Rod cause they know nothing of dark times. He mentions the Jet fans who started rooting for them in the 60's during the teams infancy, and how it must have looked great to be Jets fan after '68. Then, as you well know, not so much... http://www.nypost.com/sports/you_call_that_suffering__sports_mike_vaccaro.htm Here's hoping that offense is in 'Lil Schott's back pocket... Sanpete
Kellen Clemens was productive in Oregon's run and shoot offense but was mediocre the previous three years in a traditional pro style offense. Ramsey also played in Spurrier's run and shoot with the Redskins. The problem with four and five WR's used in the run and shoot is there is no pass protection. Ramsey was a Redskin sitting duck and Clemens broke an ankle getting away from the pass rush last year. Only two teams in the last two decades ran a primarily run and shoot, in the 1990's, the Houston Oilers with QB Warren Moon and the Detroit Lions with QB Andre Ware. Both teams had Hall of Fame RB's in Earl Cambell and Barry Sanders to keep the defenses honest, and both teams eventually gave up the run and shoot and it hasn't been used successfully in the NFL for about 15 years.
Warren Moon only had Campbell for 1 year. And it was Campbell's last year as an Oiler. That year was 1984. Campbell played 6 games. 1984 is not in the 1990's. And it was the end of Campbell's career. Andre Ware played 14 games over 4 years. So I truly have no idea what you are talking about.
