JohnnyThaJets 2011 1st Round Mock Draft and Jets picks (4.14.11)

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  1. Jonky

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    Intolerant of anyones opinion that differs from his own. Can't argue with facts so he makes personal attacks. Mr Electric are you from Mass or nine years old? By the respect you show anyone that disagrees with you its hard to distinguish.

    Showed flashes of brilliance in college and other times looked lost describes both Gholston and Ayers. Scouts from the players own school and many in the NFL suggest to avoid like the plague describes both Gholston and Ayers. Slow to digest and react describes both Ayers and Gholston.

    Go ahead and prove me wrong instead of insulting me for disdain of your hero. Think you can handle that?
     
  2. JohnnyThaJet

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    I dont usually ever defend Mr. E , you can ask him yourself, but this kid is the ANTI Gholston. Gholstons biggest problem was his lack of work ethic and zero passion for the game. Ayers is a team captain and a leader on his team. He's all about having fun and being close with teammates and producing as much as he can. Even in scout interviews the number one thing scouts come out saying is " the kid has a ton of heart and football love" completely opposite of Gholstons reviews. Gholston gave up on numerous plays in college and the NFL, look at ANY UCLA tape of Ayers, I havent seen him once not sprinting after the ball carrier even if its on the opposite side of the field. SO in that stand point you are wrong.

    His skills have barely yet been shown, he doesnt blitz much but when he does he gets to either the ball carrier or the ball. He's above average in pass coverage and will translate into an exceptional OLB IMO.
     
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    I never said they had the same personality or drive, but thank you for enlightening me about your opinion of Ayers without being insulting. Too bad others can't emulate you.

    I don't think Ayers game translates to the NFL which is much faster than college. Ayers is not fast or quick. He may have hustle, but like Gholston he thinks instead of reacting. When I look at game film of Ayers he reminds me of a poor man's Mo Lewis without Lewis' instincts. My equating Ayers to Gholston has more to do with perception. We fans will expect big things from any players drafted to get to Brady and the other QBs. I don't think Ayers will be that stud rusher any more than Gholston was. If Tanny disagrees with me and selects Ayers, I hope he proves me wrong just as I hoped Gholston proved me wrong.

    Sitting at #30 if I have a choice between one of the second tier NGs or Ayers and I can't trade back, I want Taylor or Paea. I also believe Westerman, if he can stay healthy, will be a much better pass rusher than Ayers ever could be.
     
  4. JohnnyThaJet

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    Im not the insulting type, so on that point no worries. Ayers will get to the QB , even in his rookie year. And Im very very sure he can produce more sacks than our other LBs last season ( Calvin Pace (5.5 sacks) and Bryan Thomas (six sacks) ). Ayers needs to be polished I 100% agree on that but he's an easy going guy who needs to come into the league in a comfortable environment IMO. One of the biggest reasons I like him for the Jets is If he was on a quiet and no fun team like the Pats I think he'd be not so successful but from interviews what Ive seen from him is that he'd love to be and would produce more on a easy going team that is defensive oriented but will make him love to come to practices and meetings everyday. Thats EXACTLY what the Jets can provide him.

    He needs a mentor and Rex is a perfect fit, to be honest he posses all the skills to get to the QB. He ran a slow 40 but he is explosive and can prove that in a 3-4 more than he could in a 4-3. He tended to think alot but honestly thats not bad at all, he's looking to make any play he can instead of going head down and hoping for a hit. Any play you see him "over thinking" he is not blitzing but instead reading the play and waiting to make a hit instead of over running the play like Gholston did plenty of times in college. He is a smart kid and has more instincts than he shows on the field. I believe Ayers could be as close with Rex as Sanchez is, and that to me is a huge plus for success.
     
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    Isn't he the same guy who does the sporting news war room? If so, buyer beware.

    I used to subscribe - starting the year we drafted Vilma. He predicted that pick correctly (wasn't hard) so I figured he was OK. But in the next few years, he was so far off on guys. He had guys like Hank Basket, John Scott, Gabe Watson and Max Gilles in the first round of his mock.

    I'm sure he's made some good predictions as well, but I wouldn't pay for his analysis.

    Here's a link to his April 7th mock from 2010. Way off on a lot of these.

    http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-fo...ft-teams-lining-for-selections-after-bradford
     
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    Ayers dropped back in coverage in college more than he rushed the passer....and I never realized a LB had to be extremely fast to be successful......
     
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    Quinn would be a great Jack for the 3-4. He doesn't have the ball skills/fluidity for an outside linebacker in the 3-4, but as a Jack pass-rusher, Quinn would be ideal. Plus he has the ability to line up as a 4-3 end, which is perfect for when Rex goes for 4-man fronts.
     
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    Why would you want a slow LB??? No matter how well he reads opposing offenses, what good does it do if he can't make the plays because of a lack of speed??? With the exception of the DBs, and even they aren't all that fast, the Jets' D is pretty darned slow. They need an infusion of speed.
     
  9. vegaskarl

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    I DON'T CARE ABOUT HIS MOCK DRAFT. The man was a pro scout. I read his breakdown on the players. Yes he had VG going to the Jets at 6. But if you bought his draft guide he clearly had him rated a 3rd round talent.
    Here are his top ten players - NOT HIS MOCK DRAFT
    tied at 1. Fairley and Bowers (if medical is OK).
    3. A.J. Green
    4. Dereus
    5. C. Jordan
    6. Liuget
    7. Von Miller
    8. Castonzo
    9. T. Smith
    10. C. Heyward

    Go to JMjr.com it is only $13 for a pdf download. It is 400 pages.
     
  10. JohnnyThaJet

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    You sir are getting ripped off, if a scout doesn't have Patrick Peterson or JJ Watt in there top 10 over Cam Heyward especially , he has lost his mind.
     
  11. vegaskarl

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    Three years down the road we will see.

    There is a whole page on Peterson this is just the last paragraph.
    Here is his summary on Peterson:

    Peterson is a junior that came out early for the 2011 Draft, but in my opinion he would have been better off staying in school for his senior season as he
    is far from a polished/finished cornerback and needs to become more consistently productive. Right now he is a far better athlete than cornerback (He
    is definitely an elite returner right now) and is going to have to improve his footwork/backpedal in order to change directions and close quickly enough
    to make plays on the ball. There is little doubt that he has the size, strength and competitiveness to be very good in run support and if he improves his
    footwork and overall technique could be very good jamming and slowing WR’s release off the LOS. Overall, Peterson is an elite athlete who is going to
    be an impact returner right away in the NFL, but he is going to have to improve a lot if he is ever going to become a good starting cornerback. In the end,
    I have a bad feeling that Peterson is always going to struggle with consistency in pass coverage and will end up being a starting cornerback who allows
    way too many catches for a player with his ability and ends up making his biggest contribution as a returner. Despite my concern about his ever developing,
    he does have elite physical talent which is why he is worth taking a gamble on in bottom half of the 1st round despite not producing at that level at
    LSU. What scares me most is that Peterson reminds me a lot of Terrence Newmann who was the # 4 pick in the draft and has never become an elite CB.
     
  12. bigcotch

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    War Room analysis
    Post-draft analysis: No doubt the Raiders are a number of players away from competing for the Super Bowl, but they made the right decision by drafting Russell.

    $13.00 you say?
     
  13. bigcotch

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    It's him, and 3 other schmo's who work together on the war room, and GM JR.

    They did not have Gholston as a third rounder. He was their third rated DE after Chris Long and Phillip Merling. Whatever, nobody is perfect at this stuff.

    I'm not trying to knock your hustle, really. Good for you that you are at least trying to research these guys, rather than just relying on someone on here to make your opinion for you. I think these guys make their money by putting out mocks, and rankings that are so far off conventional wisdom, that people buy it. By having to pay for their analysys, the buyer feels like he's getting special info.

    I'd rather stick with Mayock, Kiper, youtube, and free draft sites, but if you like this guy, then stick with him.
     
  14. Mr Electric

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    Ayers has experience at linebacker, he's excellent in coverage, and he's most definitely not a workout warrior.

    Gholston had no experience at linebacker, he couldn't cover to save his life, and he was one of the biggest workout warriors of all time.

    I will prove you wrong all damn day. Do everyone a favor and go play a solo game of Russian Roulette with a fully-loaded gun.
     
  15. joeklecko

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    Nice. That kind of stuff should get you permanently banned.
     
  16. NDmick

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    It gets someone a week tops.

    A full tirade of descriptive, step by step "how you should die" rant will get you much longer.

    Its rare to get permanently banned on personal attacks.
     
  17. Mr Electric

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    No, that kind of stuff shuts ignorance up. Comparing a hard-working prospect to arguably the biggest bust is our favorite team's history should get someone permanently banned.

    I was clearly proving a point with my post - the poster claimed I insulted him because I didn't state any facts.

    That's not true. I can do both at the same time.
     
  18. Mr Electric

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    Game speed > Timed speed
     
  19. joeklecko

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    Dude, I'm sorry to have to tell you this (not really) but wishing someone would die, or worse telling them to basically do the world a favor and kill themselves because you think their opinion is stupid or wrong IS IGNORANT and much, much worse, than any opinion anyone could post on this board about a football team playing a game that means nothing in the big picture of life. It's totally over the top, and approaching being a sociopath. You need to get a grip, step back and get some perspective or seek some professional help. That level of anger and frustration can lead to your own demise (heart attack, stroke, cancer, etc.), or if you expressed that to someone in person, they might decide to seriously harm or kill you instead. Seriously, are the freaking Jets worth your or anyone dying over? No way.
     
  20. Mr Electric

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    Is this real life?
     

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