Our D-Line Stinks

our dline sucks so bad we average like 75 rush yards against it.

 

I have never read so many fans doubt that we even stand a chance winning this game against a beat up beatable opponent.

Its like we are talking about the Panthers against the Falcons.

And yea, you don't understand the 3-4 after all these years (if the Jets didn't switch, you should still know what it is anyways)... I don't know what to tell you.

 

Your name is JetsKickAss, but it seems to me that you really don't believe that the Jets Kick Ass...

 

Great points. I only disagree with the one line because there was an article the other day talking about how DeVito has similar stats (build) & skills to Kelly Gregg and might make for a good (not great) NT.

You do know that Kroul was released last week right?

 

Out D-Line does not stink. It's not a pass rushing D-Line, but they are stout at the Point of Attack and stuff a majority of the runs. They do their job about as well as can be expected.

 

not really. he was resigned to the practice squad. they did that to see if israel trufant could be a good CB and also to add another CB so they could rest revis and cro

 

Our defensive line has done a pretty damn good job. If Jenkins hadn't gotten hurt, the line, and our entire defense, would have been a difference maker.

 

I agree in general with this, and am amazed people seem to think the line in a 3-4 is supposed to be producing sacks. But I do think the FO should not have been banking on Jenkins playing a whole season healthy. Yeah, they had a Plan B, and De Vito and Pouha have impressed. But...

If anything Pryce has not done much. Ellis remains quietly solid, imo.

That about covers it, except the FO probably will try to upgrade this unit in the off season.

 

me thinks what gives the impression of a less than adequate D line is the less than stellar play/speed from the OLB position in terms of a pass rush and containment.

the strength of a 3-4 are the 4 LB's bar none, with honmorable mention going to the NT and one of the CB's - u really need 2 of the 4 LB's to be studs - probowl types - preferably one inside and one outside. now its true that harris is at that level, but neither pace or thomas are, and i think that limits the jets at times rushing the passer, misdirections at the point of attack, and backside pursuit.

to say the D line sucks is not true. to say our LB core needs to be upgraded - specificaly on the outside, is true - in terms of overall speed and pursuit.

of course losing your mammoth NT tackle for the second year in a row doesn't help either.

guys like devito and pouha have done a very good job - good enough for a top 5 defense. thing is these guys are not anchors (pro bowl players). this defense needs a couple anchors in the front seven and IMO there is maybe one - harris.

jil

 

one thing that im curious about it this:

several posters on here say it's not the job of the lineman in a 3-4 to pressure the QB. Their job is to eat up blockers so the LB's can penetrate and get pressure/sacks.

OK, then why has rex been calling so many 3 man rushes lately, dropping the LB's into coverage?

maybe rex's thinking is that if we can't hit the QB with a 5-6 man blitz then what's the point? might as well drop them into coverage.

i don't know.

 

While you do have a point that our starting three aren't star quality, Rex's defense doesn't call for them to be. Our guys sole job is to take up space and open holes for the blitzing LBs or DBs. They do that fairly well. Its an added bonus when they can also get to the QB. But they are primarily cloggers and run stoppers.
If you want to find fault with the pass rush, look at the OLBs. They aren't providing as much heat as last year. I also notice Taylor and Pace dropping back into covergae instead of rushing.
I also disagree calling DRob a bust. The fact was he was a good player. He may not have lived up to being the fourth player selected, but that doesn't qualify him as a bust. He was active, made plays and got sacks unlike Gholston.

 

THIS! For a 3-4 we have a pretty damn good D-line. The lack of pass rush is really the fault of our outside linebackers. IMO.

 

The D Line has done it's job. DeVito, Ellis and Pouha have actually done their job. The lack of pass rush is really not on them because they have done their job. The lack of pass rush is on Pace, Thomas and Taylor. They have been awful at getting to the qb for the most part (I realize each has had a few good games). So, because they have sucked, the D-line gets the blame. However, they have been great in stopping the run, and get enough push where the linebackers and safeties should be able to get to the qb.

 

The Giants are a 4-3 team. They also aren't in the playoffs.

 

PS Just for the sake of the argument may I add that having two ILB's like Harris and Scott is quite pivotal against the run...

 

100% agree about Pouha but we could use an upgrade at both DE positions, especially with Ellis getting up there in years. Had Jenkins stayed healthy, Pouha could be kicking ass at DE.