I don't like doing that, either, but I do think you're sort of setting up a straw man. Sort of. Who knows how much a role those calls played in the loss? THe point is it's not an either or choice. THe calls can and should be considered apart from the issue of why the Jets lost the game.
On the Cotchery int, we would have been looking at a 56 yard FG attempt. On the Keller int, the completion would have had us at GB 43 with 2nd and 16. One dumpoff to LT could have put us near 35 yard line and we are set to kick another 50 yard FG. If Folk gets two tries to kick a 50+ yard FG try, I like our chances to make one. I think Im being very reasonable. Who knows, we might even pick up a first down and score a TD on the Keller drive? To say that those plays did not cost us the game IS a load of crap. We don't go for it on 4th down the 4 mins to go at the GB 35 if we are down only 3, instead of 6. What are the chances Folk misses FOUR straight FGs in a game?
See my post above. Also, who is to say Sanchez won't throw a strike to Braylon for a TD? There are too many scenarios that can happen, but to say these plays did not cost us the game is incorrect. Our offense did enough to win the game. It played better than GB offense. We had long field every time we got the ball. Yeah, it was pitiful, but without those calls, it did enough to score 6 pts while our D limiting GB to 3.
So you're banking on 50 yard field goals to be good in that wind? Did you happen to see both kickers miss closer FG's because of the wind - Folks being only from 35 yards? Even then you're only banking on 1 of the FG's being good so where do the other 3 points come from? Your argument sucks.
Not very good. The refs played a huge part in the game and they cant be eliminated as a reason the Jets lost. They played their part in the Jets downfall as well. Jets cant solely blame the refs but some of these refs have to be held accountable for these calls.
I mentioned THREE different FG attempts, not including the one Folk misses. Folk ONLY needs to make one out of those three. GB doesn't get to kick their third FG at the end of the game if Folk makes one out of FOUR total FGAs. GB only got one FG on their own. 2nd FG was off the bad call and 3rd FG was off the failed 4th down attempt. And yes, I will always like my chances of Folk making ONE out of four FG attempts. If you are saying the the argument "Folk makes one out of four FGAs" sucks, then I guess Folk really sucks. You don't know what would have happened in the game. Neither do I. No one does. So to say those calls DID cost us the game isn't exactly a genius statement either.
I would argue that we wouldn't even attempt a 50+ yard FG's in those conditions. And your argument STILL would only give us 3 points. You're trying to argue the refs are the reason we lost yet your imagination only has us down 6-3. WTF? The refs hurt us, they aren't the reason we lost. We had PLENTY of opportunities to EXECUTE. We didn't.
Refs made some bad calls but in the long run this stuff tend to balance out. Also, the Jets offense had plenty of opportunities to overcome refs & fail. Even if the intercepts weren't legit, the offense still should've put up more than zero points. Stupid call by punter = 3 points Turning the ball over on downs = 3 points. There's six avoidable points (in a 9 point game) if the Special Teams & Offense had their act together. The defense was good enough to give offense & Special teams multiple chances to overcome the referee mistakes & pull out the game. At the end of the game, the Jets had the ball & a chance to overcome all the adversity & failed.
OK let me explain WHY. 1. Green Bay scored one FG on their own. 2. They scored one FG off the turnover. 3. They scored one FG in the closing seconds when Jets Had to go for it on 4th down and failed. 2 doesn't happen if the call favors the Jets. 3 Doesn't happen since Jets would not go for it on 4th down. Even if we don't kick a FG on one of the tries, we punt it away giving GB long field to work with. The way their offense played, I doubt they get anywhere NEAR the FG range. I know we had plenty of opportunities to win the game. All Im saying is we played good enough to score more than 3 points. Yeah, we had more opportunities and could have score 30+ points. Everyteam gets that opportunity. We only needed the refs to make the right calls to win. Im not saying refs did it on purpose. They were just a couple of bad calls. Thats it. Its part of the game. We still could have won WITH those calls, but we should have won without them as well.
If the Jets drop 5 less balls, this thread probably doesn't exist. I hated the way the refs called the game, but we have been in that situation before and been able to win the game ugly, against some pretty bad calls. (Denver) The great teams overcome those odds, and wind up getting calls themselves if they can get into position to score many times.
The other 3 points came off of the failed 4th down conversion near the 2 min warning. That GB offense stunk way more than ours did.
Jets had 6 drives of 40 or more yards. Green Bay had one. No way Green Bay wins that game with out refs help.
Will you complain like this if the Jets get a win they're not supposed to have because of bad ref calls? Or will you tell the other team to stfu & make plays & overcome the refs?
We got shut out. The offense didn't play well enough to win. The offense left tons of big plays on the field. The refs didn't help but it was an inexcusable performance by the offense. Guys handing the Packers turnovers and dropping passes all over the place and we are gonna say the offense played well enough to win.
What worries me about the Ravens & Packers losses is that these are the type games we're supposed to win. Clamp down on defense and run the ball down their throats. Sanchez, as talented as he may be, is not ready to carry this team to the Super Bowl yet...and I can't figure out why the coaching staff keeps putting games in his hands.
Funny I said this sunday during the game and someone who posted in this thread tried to get stupid with me.
Misleading thread title, I thought someone stole their playbooks or something, actually stealing the offensive playbook might help.
Because of what GB did in the game, as some of their players confirmed afterwards was their basic approach. Stop the run and let Sanchez show whether he can beat them. THis is also what Denver did and it nearly worked. If you are the DC for the opponent having the Jets coming up, what do you see in game film, and what do you do? Play the run until Sanchez shows you he can beat you.
Hey... When Rex was asked if those plays were due to the GB defense "Wanting it more" he said "not really, no one goes after the balls like our Wrs" or something like that... now if those calls went FOR the Jets defense you know what Rex would say.... he would say "YEEEEEEEEEE F"N HAAAAAAAA MY DEFENSE CAME TO PLAY AND RIPPED THOSE F'N BALLS CUZ THEY WANT IT!!!!!!! F YEAH BOY" So, we all play that game...... Bottom line. WITH those calls the Jets have a good chance to win... Could they have overcome them, sure maybe... And Oakland should have overcome the Tuck Rule... That's not the point really.. The Point is the JETS GOT SCREWED!!!!!!!!!!
Was the officiating poor? Sure. But can you blame your loss on the officials? Absolutely not. The Patriots had awful officiating vs. the Vikings and they were able to pull it out because of mental-toughness down the stretch.