The KISS System: Works fine so far..

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  1. Cman7zero

    Cman7zero The Dark Admin, 2018 BEST Darksider Poster

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    Yeah, we have this discussion every year. Schotty is too damn cute, we blitz too much, Sanchez having issues executing the playbook according to plan, yadi yadi yadda...

    We've seen this same thing play out for several years now. When our offense gets simplified, i.e: line up and execute instead of move and confuse ourselves, we're effective. When we try to outhink the other guy, we outhink ourselves in the process. When we attack an opponents strengths instead of his weaknesses, we gameplan ourselves into a head scratching defeat that didn't have to be...

    On defense, With Revis and Leonard, everybody knew their roles and where they had to be. This year, without the wristbands, our secondary is getting lit up weekly. We're winning, but we're giving up tons of passing yds and keeping our defense on the field longer. Not good when your defense has as many years in the NFL as ours does.

    Schotty simplifies things and the offense takes off. Rex calls off the overload blitzes and plays some modified cover-2 and not only do we beat the Patriots, but we do it by taking away Brady's bread and butter. That is, the middle thats usually vacant when we blitz. We give up 300+ yds to Henne but we win after finally getting simplified in the secondary which results in a game saving play.

    Moral of the story is: Until Revis and Pace are 100% and Holmes is back on the field, we have to put ourselves in a better position to excel using our strengths. The KISS theory applies here bigtime as we're gonna have to Keep It Simple Stupid for our guys to succeed. That means Schotty has to cut out all the pre-snap movement which to his credit, is being done presently. We're also gonna have to dial down the overload blitzes that lately seem to be picked up with alarming regularity resulting in fewer sacks, hurries and more 3rd dwn conversions for the other guys.

    Simplifiying the gameplanning will make life alot easier on both Sanchez and Wilson. It should result in more 3 and outs giving our greybeard DLine more of a rest between possessions. It should also aid Sanchez's development as he'll have fewer things to ponder in the 3-4secs he has to make a play..

    Thoughts?
     
  2. ace_o_spades

    ace_o_spades New Member

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    I'm a fan of the KISS system. We have elite talent so there's no need to "out think" the opposition as much as in year's past. As long as we "play like the Jets and not some fuckin slap dick team" we'll be fine. Now let's go get a goddamn snack!
     
  3. twown

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    One thing that is starting to grate on me: everyone blaming our struggles in the secondary on having three starters new to the system.

    That's exactly what we had last year!
     
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    2 new starters (Revis and Rhodes were starters in 2008)

    It's gonna be incredible just how much better our secondary is gonna be when we have healthy Revis back in the lineup
     
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    Disagree on most counts.

    When Rex tells Shotty to pound it, stay conservative, Schotty does all he can to work within those constraints... thus, trying to somehow disguise a very predictable conservative offensive game plan. Short passes, check down and the predicable run on first down.

    It's when Ryan ALLOWS Schotty to have a balanced game plan that the stupid motioning and kill play calls at the line can be dispensed with. BECAUSE Schotty can then pass on first downs, etc, he doesn't have to do all that other stupid crap to try to fool the defense. The defense is kept off balance because the old run on first down is no longer guaranteed. Chicken or the egg.

    Ryan's defense works because of the scheme, and it IS complicated. To simplify it would be to make it impotent. It is a great scheme because the oppostion doesn't know what's coming. If it's too complex for a rookie like Wilson, who is far moe talented than Lowery, you don't change the system, you change the players, and start the ones who understand it and can make it work, the ones who can stay with their assignments within the system.

    In other words, applying KISS theory would ruin this system, it just is the complete opposite of why Ryan's D works so well in the first place.

    Don't let the alligators make you forget you came to drain the swamp.
     
  6. twown

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    Yes, I know who started last year and who's starting this year. With Revis injured, we had three starters "new to the system" last week, which everyone was blaming for the breakdowns and communication problems.

    As if we didn't have three starters new to the system last year as well! Same thing: Leonhard +3.
     
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    FJF 2018 MVP Joe Namath Award Winner

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    Could not agree more.look at the elite offenses in the league and you won't see all that motion and shifting that you see with schotty.the good ones can lineup run their plays and beat you with execution.that's what I want to see here.
     
  8. ThunderbirdJet

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    KISS... it's what fans who don't get it believe in. It just isn't as simple as the casual football fan wants it to be, needs it to be.

    Ryan has built his career and this defense on anything BUT KISS. So, (can't resist here) KISS my BUTT if you can't grasp that.

    Because Wilson and Pool (who has very limited game time in the system) are struggling with it somewhat, you want Ryan to change his system, one that resulted in the NFL's highest ranked defense last year/

    Are you fuckin joking? Holy shit... I'm out. :shakes head, walks away:
     
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    ThunderbirdJet owns this thread. There's really nothing more to be said.
     
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    the T-Bird nails it IMO:cool:
     
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    They just need to start using Ask Madden
     
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    nah, John likes cover 2 too much. Also, way too many draws.
     
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    And "Corner Strike"
     
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    Rex doesn't use KISS.

    He uses KILL.

    Keep It Likeable and Learnable.
     
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    Did someone say?

    [YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWOYT3n06x0[/YOUTUBE]

    10/11 when Holmes is in the lineup, Revis is back, and Brett has another good reason to retire again...
     
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    This is what I came here to post. ^

    Rex uses the KILL system. KISS was Mangini.
     
  17. SixFeetDeep

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    they just need to play like the new york jets
     
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    Cman7zero The Dark Admin, 2018 BEST Darksider Poster

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    and what are the wristbands for but to simplify the system and make it more understandable? We're talking about the entire team here Tbird, not just the defense. Simplification has worked for the offense or would you rather go back to endless motion penalties? The wristband will simplify how our secondary remembers their assignments instead of letting other teams rack up 300+yds passing and hoping we luck up at a critical moment.
     
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    Learnable is the key here. With new guys, you don't start them out in the middle of the book. You give them what they can absorb, then give them more. Revis was the QB in the secondary. Guys like Cromartie and Wilson have to get truly up to speed and that's a process and a learning curve. So far, Cromartie is coming along but Wilson is a rookie so why throw him in the deep end of the pool so to speak.
     
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    Cman7zero The Dark Admin, 2018 BEST Darksider Poster

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    I disagree. KISS doesn't mean do the same thing over and over expecting different results. That's called insanity.
     

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