Listen I'd rather know about doing coke then molesting underage age girls and sharing my wife with teamates or making porn tapes with R. Kelly. If you've got to bring up Keith Hernandez everytime somebody discusses coke that's your problem.
I already outlined several times why I think that Clemens got better: He went to the National League. He got a new contract that made things easy for him. The Rocket was already one of the best pitchers in baseball history when he left New York. Why would it be bizarre for him to be wildly successful in a situation tailor made for him to succeed in? It doesn't add up to me. Also, it's not like his workout is the only reason that he's a good pitcher. It just very, very strongly suggests that he wouldn't use steroids.
Take a look at some of Clemens photos from is younger years and look at him now.. Then tell me he doesn't fit the profile of a juicer.
I just did. He bulked up, but unlike Barry Bonds for example there is heavily documented evidence of his workouts. I'm sorry, this one just doesn't make any sense to me.
Wow, is that the best you could do? Come on, I'll give you a free do over. What have I said that's illogical?
What doesn't make sense is a 44 year old man still able to put that kind of stress on his body without injury or incident. Bones, joints, and cartilage break down with age. There ain't no amount of working out that can change that. HGH could. Anabolic steroids could. Does all this mean that Roger Clemens is, beyond a doubt, a juicer? No, certainly not. But, in the 2006 MLB, if someone is presenting as a unique specimen, defying 100 years of baseball history and chalking it up to being a "workout warrior," then I cast doubt on him. Whoever he is. Is that fair to Roger? Abso-freaking-lutely! If MLB wants to try to change how I (and others) look at its players, it can start by releasing the near hundred or so names of players that tested positive in 2002, under MLB's first half-assed attempt at a drug testing policy. Of course, MLB can't do this without the assent of MLBPA, which it would never get. Next thing it would need to do to turn me is remove Bud Selig and appoint a commissioner with genuine impartiality. Would Bart Giamatti have let this sham go on this long far? Or Fay Vincent? Peter Ueberroth? Not a friggin' chance. As long as Bud is around, I will never believe that MLB's concern about steroid abuse is anything more than lip service.
You can't just take steroids and have them have effect. Steroids complement working out and lifting. Steroids in and of themselves don't build muscles.
That's very logical except that anabolic steroids would make cartilage and especially joints break down much more rapidly than just intense workout. And my point with the workouts isn't that Clemens can't be using steroids because he works to hard, it's that he wouldn't use steroids because he works so damn hard. People who use steroids are people who don't have confidence in their game and who don't/won't/can't do the work required to get it where they want it to be. As far as I can tell, Clemens has never had any of those problems. :rofl2:
Nonsense, many steroid users have pointed out that the ability to rehab quicker/workout more is a major benefit of the drug. So Clemens' ability to work so damn hard could very well be a result of steroids.
Just the opposite. Steroids heal and prevent those injuries. That's the whole purpose of steroids - their restorative ability. However, I said "juicer," and didn't name the type of juice. I don't know what it is, but I'm willing to bet that he's enjoyed something. Huh? Barry Bonds is the most arrogant and over-confident player since Ty Cobb. Sheffield, Giambi, Palmero, McGwire, Sosa - these are timid, insecure players? I don't think juicers have a personality profile.
