Well I run the risk of the wrath of many but I say well done to all concerned. No matter what his money situation he won't want to be remembered as one of the biggest busts ever and i hope he proves us all wrong and turns his game around. Just imagine superbowl , 20 seconds to play..vikings on our 22 yard line need a td to win its 4th down and gholston rushes the OG and flattens burt !!! GAME OVER..JETS WIN!!! ( puts bottle of rioja down!!)
Gholston would rush Favre, but Favre would get rid of the ball..... right into the waiting hands of Revis Christ. Pick 6 TD.
This board is so hard to keep up with. So now we DON'T care how much players are making on a per-season basis when they suck?
This^^ --- Gholston is a bust. He was #6 pick and stole a whole lotta money, we'll still be paying him some millions in the next couple of years. Total useless selfish lazy LB. He's no longer in the team. Gholston 2.0 can be or can not be a bust. He's an undrafted player that will try to make the team, he's (for all we know) trying to work hard to make it in the team in a position that he doesn't seem suited for it but that our own Rex Ryan thinks he could do it. I hope this guy turns out to be a good adition for the Jets.
Nobody is saying that. What people are saying is that at this point, you have to get whatever value out of him that you can. Either way he's getting paid, so you may as well hope that he can be useful in a different position. Obviously it helps a lot that this is an uncapped year, so we can afford to waste the money if it doesn't work out. All of the above also supports the head-scratching that people have done regarding other players such as Feely, Jones, Faneca, and Leon. While any of them can be argued that they aren't worth what they felt they were, how is Gholston worth anything at all? I'd argue I've been the biggest Gholston supporter on the board. That said, I'm completely disgusted with his lack of progress thus far. I've advocated him changing to DE since last year. Will he succeed? I haven't the slightest clue. I am certain he'll be more effective at end than at LB though. I'm also pulling for him, simply because if he's going to take up a roster spot either way, we may as well get use out of him. Also, there is a chance he could excel at the position, and wouldn't that be a good thing? Wouldn't it be nice, if 12 months from now, we're all sitting here saying "Damn, I wish Mangina would have put Gholston in at end from the start! We would never have doubted the pick!"? Life gives you lemons, try to make some lemonade, don't bitch about the color yellow.
He should finally be fully recovered from that broken leg. Those things usually take a while to heal. I think he might contribute. -X-
He's talking about Ropati Pitoitua, who broke his leg...in 2005. OP feels he should be finally healed by now.
If that was Vince young? If his aunt had balls she'd be his uncle so what? However, when he moves the line, he's moving it straight backward, and fairly quickly.... I never said anything about shooting gaps, what I said, was it takes several guys to handle his bull rush. And we'll have the answer by seasons end. Ellis averages 6.5 a year playing end. He's alot older, and does not possess the overall power Gladys does. Apparently your penchant for making bizarre assumptions, without examining the evidence trailed you here from the BS forum.
So the one glimmer of hope that you mentioned for Gholston to get a sack happened against the least mobile QB in the NFL last season, and he still couldn't do it. That's what. We've seen that image since he was a rookie. He gets a bull rush going, knocks back the one or two guys they put on him to stop the bull rush, then...nothing. He pushes the OL back and he gets completely lost as to what to do. A bull rush in the NFL is useless unless you can disengage from the guy blocking you, something that Gholston's lack of any other pass-rushing moves prevents him from doing. This isn't like his college years where he can take a player from Ohio and shove him all the way back into the QB. He actually has to separate from the blocker in order to get to the QB. If he hasn't figured that out in three seasons in the league than I'm not putting too much stock into the lightbulb finally clicking. He's also a much better football player with more fluid hips and shoulders, better hand-fighting techniques, and an actual ability to rush the passer. Being a fucking bodybuilder isn't going to help you become a better pass rusher. I don't care if Gholston could push a Mack truck with it's brakes applied full force back, he still wouldn't be able to get away from it. once he was done. [QUOTEApparently your penchant for making bizarre assumptions, without examining the evidence trailed you here from the BS forum.[/QUOTE] :breakdance: Just so I can fully understand this: You are saying that his bull rush, something that he has been using since he got into the league is going to help him get to the quarterback when he is two-gapping and taking on a LT and OG, when it never helped him get a sack when he was rushing from a LB position and singled up on LT or maybe double teamed by a LT and TE? How does that one make any sense? What he did in that Tennessee game was nothing new, he's always been able to push back the OLine. It never lead to sacks and just because his position changed on the roster and depth chart does not mean it is suddenly going to lead to him getting any sacks. Bull rushing alone is not going to lead to any sacks if the DE cannot disengage from the guy who is blocking him. Gholston does not know how to disengage from the guy who is blocking him. Moving him to DE might lead to more sacks for some of the linebackers if he can consistently crash the line and push people back, but nothing in that description should lead to him getting more sacks. You are fucking clueless when it comes to this game.
I don't expect sacks from him, but if somehow he manages to achieve that bolded part, would you be happy about it? do you think it's possible for him to pull that off?
He's been able to push defenders back since they drafted him. I really don't see a use for him outside of 3rd/passing downs. His inability to disengage from blockers makes him a huge liability in the running game if he's the one who has to make the tackle say, in a draw play. Either way, he's still a major bust. It would be nice to get some production out of him but the only way this move redeems him is if he turns out to be Tyson Jackson good. No way that happens.
they used to throw every running play right at him. A couple of times he'd get off the block and make the tackle, but for the most part he was responsible for an RB running right by him for a 7 yard gain.
Here's a quote that a lot of people need to understand before they comment on whether Gholston will be a good 3-4 DE or not. Gholston doesn't need to rush the passer, he needs to push the pocket, something that he can do. I don't think Rex Ryan was talking shit when he said that he's going to put Gholston in a position to succeed, based on his skill set, he really could succeed as a 3-4 DE.
