First of all, howdy. I've noticed that although the draft is a crap-shoot, there's always a couple guys who just flat out play good ball. Adrian Peterson, Chris Johnson, Megatron, etc. Not to make a claim to clairvoyance, but it looks like Spiller is that kind of guy. I say ship L. Washington for Cromartie (and maybe even pull a pick for character issues), then shop Rhodes and one of our high picks, this year or next, for a #10-#14 to lock up Spiller. I know he's not yet proven, but we already know Leon's ceiling. What do you all think?
I think... a)you could have posted this in the draft forum b)you could have posted this in the NYJ forum c)No
Cromartie is a pussy. No. I'd rather have LW And Rhodes and a 1st rounder to get Spiller makes zero sense. The Jets don't need a feature back, that's not how the offense works. I'll pass.
I think Spiller will be a dynamic player in the NFL, but he's not for the Jets right now. They have needs at other positions.
Sorry about the topic thing guys, my mistake. Not to say Cromartie would go total brain transplant under Rex Ryan, but I think he'll at least be more motivated playing on a defense this strong. I think he'll be good enough against most of the WR2's in the league. Spiller's got LW-type speed and receiving ability, and the potential to become an Adrian Peterson. Surely they don't NEED a feature guy just yet, but a guy who can carry us if Greene goes LaMont-y can't hurt. Isn't that star potential worth a couple depth picks?
Yes, sometimes it is. That's why we got Sanchez and Greene last year. But if selling our "depth picks" to secure Greene last year didn't satisfy you, what makes you think doing the same thing this year would?
I'm not saying Greene's a bad player, I have high hopes for him. But Spiller can end up being the type of guy defenses have to spend the whole week preparing for. Greene's not there yet. The way I see it, Spiller single-handedly answers a number of needs for the Jets. He can return punts, so Cotchery stays fresh. He frees us up to move LW or TJ for that second CB, who himself would buy time for our blitz. His hands and size make him a possible Bush-like threat from the slot. All I'm saying is, just like with Greene and Sanchez, we'd do good to consider making a move for a guy who's a surer thing than teams usually get out of the draft.
So wait. You want to replace Greene with Spiller and than add a guy who was afraid to tackle Greene? [YOUTUBE]Na4cE3m2Gwo[/YOUTUBE]
No high picks for RB's at this point. The Jets need high picks on pass rushers and De's. It has been proven time and again that a good RB can be found in the later rounds.
Oh and this about Crompussy San Diego Chargers cornerback Antonio Cromartie was likely on his way to being traded this offseason because team management doesn’t think he’s tough enough. Cromartie is easily one of the most athletically gifted players in the NFL and just two years ago he was a Pro Bowler who snagged a club record 10 interceptions. Turns out he’s also apparently unaware of the existence of any form of birth control. An attorney for the mother of one of his children claims Cromartie is past due on $25,000 in child support after missing his Feb. 1 payment date for a few of his kids. Apparently the Florida State product has had issues with paying his support on time in the past. Here’s the kicker, the San Diego Union-Tribune states that, “Cromartie, 25, has at least seven children with six different women in five states.”
No, we hold on for dear life to Greene. I like this offense a lot better with Greene and Spiller than Greene and Washington. I saw the Cromartie play, and I didn't like Cromartie in it. But it's tough to pass judgment on a guy for one play in one game, as big as the game may have been. In any case, the CB we're looking for is a guy who can cover WR2s, and I say he can do it. If a team's able to run their back to our CB2 consistently, we've got bigger problems. With guys like Leonhard and Bart Scott around, and a coach like Rex on his back, Cromartie will be good enough. Ha yeah, I saw that video. Reminds me of Rutgers' Brian Leapin' Leonard a few years back I don't know, Gholston kind of shook my faith on that stance. I like Odrick but we'd need luck to grab him at #29. I think we can strengthen the front 7 with RFAs (Raiders' Thomas Howard, Packers' Johnny Jolly, Cowboys' Marcus Spears, etc.)
I've seen this opinion a lot on this site. It was just one play. Horseshit. Look, Cro wasn't caught out of position on that play. He had the opportunity to make a PERFECT form tackle on Shonn Greene, who likely didn't even see Cromartie at the moment. But Cromartie's conditioning took over; conditioning he himself has installed that told him "don't tackle." The Kerry Rhodes comparisons are unfair. Kerry balks during head-to-head, open field tackles. I don't condone it, but I understand it. Kerry doesn't bail out when he has the opportunity to make form tackles, which is what Cro had. You don't shy away from a perfect tackle. Cromartie did. It's not a "one play" thing, it's bigger than that.
It's tough for any of us to know what's in Cromartie's head, or whether he was conditioned to do one thing, or cautiously slowed up to prevent another... We just don't know. We do know that he's young and has all the physical tools. We do know that guys seem to want to play harder for a defense with a reputation, and a coach with a measure of courage. We know that he has been a good corner at some point in his career. In any case, this isn't a Cromartie thread, and to be honest I hope we can get our CB2 by some other means. What I'm saying is that moving up for Spiller gives us the option of moving TJ or LW for a CB who can be better, this season, than a CB we can draft.
Ahh yes 1 bad pick out of 10 is reason to shake your faith in what exactly? It is also debatable that the pick wasn't made with a gun towards Tanny's head. I just do not get logic like this...........I mean then I can ask..... So the fact that the Jets once picked Blair Thomas doesn't scare the hell out of you too? EDIT: NFW wll the Jets be big players for RFA's. Further Edit: Just to be smarmy douche like the guy I quoted............ Further Further Edit: Doesn't like getting a taste of his own medicine. LOL post count? What next? I don't like the fact you don't have an avatar?
I don't think our front 7 is perfect. I don't think picking at 29 is the best available way to improve it, either. Edit: Why not? If our GM says he's going to do whatever he can to make our team better, and RFAs are a way to make our team better, what is it you know that he doesn't?
That's enough. What did I do wrong, ask for evidence? If you have a problem with me beyond what's been said so far in this thread, you can send me a PM and we can straighten it out. In the meantime I'll just assume that you can't handle a question from a guy with less posts than you.
picking at 29 is fine considering the depth in this draft. why move up when there are plenty of highly talented players sitting around at 29? moving up is not the idea in this draft or for this team this year, it can kill the Jets. we don't need a repeat of anything remotely resembling 2007
Yes you can. If he's going to do it there, he's going to do it here. Fans always want the miraculous turn around where our coaching staff makes them see the light and then they become everything our daydreams wanted them to be. That's not how it works. He'll always be a problem. He's a good cover corner, but he has way too many off field bullshit that's obviously made him a problem for the Chargers and anyone else who trades for him. Sadly, the Jets couldn't go after Dunta Robinson.
