rate positions by positions

QB - B
RB - C
FB - D
WR - B
TE - C+
OL - B- (Heading in the right direction)

LB - C+
DL - C-
DB - B-
Special Teams - A+
Coaching Staff - ?? (Have nothing to go by.)

 

qb-c as of now only because all 3 are unproven
rb-b
wr-c
te- c
ol- b
dl-b-
lb-b+ (vilma alone warrants an a bu others bring it down)
corners-b-
safety's-b
kicker- b
punter-a
return game-b+ (could be explosive with either miller or dwight... Lets hope miller learns how 2 catch)
coaching staff-?- to early to tell

 

Qb - C+
Rb - C
Fb - D
Wr - C+
Te - B
Ol - B

Lb - B+
Dl - C
Db - B-
St - A+

 

QB - C
RB - C
WR - C+
TE - B
OL - B
LB - B+
DE - B
DT - D
CB - B
S - C
Special - B

 

QB--C
RB--C+
FB--F
WR--C
TE--B-
OT--C
OG--B+
C--A
DE--B-
DT--D (in a 3-4)
LB--A
S--B
CB--A
P--A+
K--B
Coaching--N/A
Management--B+

 

didnt feel like doing it youself?

 

i really like this one. i originally questioned some of them (RB,CB) but then as i thought about it i agreed more and more

i though a at cb was a reach but thin i remembered the addition of the best qb on the nfc super bowl team

with the rb i thought it should be better but c mart in only a year or two from retirement and we lack a solid replacement

 

Marcus Trufant is better than Andre Dyson.

 

lets see
qb c-
rb b
fb d
te c-
wr d-
ol c-
dl c+
lb b
ds b-
st b+
k+p b+

rb scored high, we do have a hall of famer. offensively i feel we are not going to be productive at all. we have questions in all phases of our offense and we will wait to see who really wants the job. defensively, if we can stop the run, we'll be in good shape.

 

Interesting to see the ratings done at week one and in the washup after week 16 or later if we make the playoffs (yes I can dream.....lol)

 

QB- B-, Chad is coming off surgeries, Ramsey has to prove himself, Clemmens is a rookie
RB- C+, Curtis did just win the running title two years ago, Cedric proved to be servicable last year, Blaylock did well in KC (system back?) and Leon looks like fun to watch
FB- N/A... we haven't seem much of him at FB, but he looks like he is a good, powerful runner; but CAN HE BLOCK?
WR- C+, Coles is good, hampered by injuries last year. McCareins, i dont like him but many say he was playing hurt. I'm a big fan of Cotchery. Tim Dwight could be electric. Brad Smith... whos knows; but i like what i see.
TE- C, Chris Baker showed a lot of good signs last year before he injured his leg. Doug Jolley - lets not go there. But who knows? Baker did will when givent he schott last year
OL- B-, to unproven right now. We are probably going to have two rookies starting, and a second year player who was drafted in the late rounds last year at a different position this year. If they all pan out, we could have a very good, athletic line soon and shoot this grade up.

DL- C, Kimo and Shaun should be able to get it done in teh end slots; but the NT position scares me a little. Can DRob handle it all, and take on two blockers? Or will he have to do improv and do it by committee and hope it works.
LB- B, we don't have the pass-rushing OLB we need in the 3-4; unless Bryan Thomas finally shows why he was a first round pick. Vilma makes this grade higher than it would be otherwise. Kassell & Schlegel could take a lot of the hits away from Vilma in the inside which is good. The main hole is OLB
CB- A-, Andre Dyson is a very good CB. Justin Miller showed last year that he can cover the best (he shut down Randy Moss & Jerry Porter, etc.) David Barrett is very good depth at #3, i think that he could be starting at #2 for many teams.
S- B, I am a big fan of Kerry Rhodes, and i was a big fan of Coleman; but he disapointed last year. If they both play to their ful potential, then we could have a very good safety duo.

K- B, Nugent - not much power but it was rumored that he was going to work out a lot this off-season to get it up. Showed to be pretty accurate and made most kicks
P- A, Ben Graham did a great job last year; hopefully he can do it again. He puts great spin on the ball, and gets in high & deep.

CS- N/A, i really liked the draft, but lets see how they do on the field

 

thats what you think

 

qb- c
rb- c+
wr- c
te- c
ol- b
dl- b
lb- b+
db- b+
ST- b

 

QB - C+ (Plenty of depth and new faces that are going to be fighting for a chance, but if Penny struggles, we really have no one to turn to in year one other than Ramsey. That is of course, unless Bollinger and Clemens make incredible progress).

RB - B (Again, a bunch of good guys, but it really depends on how they all pan out and more importantly how they are used. Leon Washington could be a nice 3rd down back and special teams player, with Cedric Houston being the workhorse back and getting some time behind Martin. Very pleased with runningback though. Askew provides a nice running and receiving threat as well.)

WR - C- (And the only reason it isn't a D is because of the potential. Jerricho Cotchery doesn't seperate well, and Justin McCareins is afraid to take a hit. That leaves Coles, who will always be a solid player and Brad Smith the project. It could pan out to be very good, but it could also flop very easily.)

OL - B- (While the front of the line is starting to shape up, we will continue to have problems if we don't find future replacements for left guard and right tackle. I think Adrian Jones will definitley turn into a guard because of his lack of size against the big 290+ freak of athletes at left end. Left tackle, center and right guard look to be shaping up very well, with guys like Teague and Cavka backing them up.)

DL - B (I am still a big Robertson supporter, so this may be inflated, but I don't think we will have trouble along the defensive line or defense in general. It's all about offensive development to get the team back in line. We have enough depth for both formations and with Denny Marcin you know they will always be learning how to penetrate by using their hands.)

LB - B (Again another spot that is shaping up to look very good. We have so much depth that it's almost hard not to institute a 3-4 even if the defensive line isn't ready. Lack of a rushbacker might hurt our 3-4 chances, but with a 4-3 we still have so many different looks and linebackers with different styles, coordinators will be confused.)

Secondary - A- (Maybe I'm a bit biased, but we have enough cornerback depth with a zone specialist whom could turn into a starter. If Mangini plays the same way as they did in New England then we have the perfect cornerbacks for it. Guys with a quick step that break on short routes. Miller and Dyson are both perfect for it. Kerry Rhodes is looking to be a stud ballhawk even though his stats didn't show it. Erik Coleman will always be around the ball, and with Vilma he won't have to get as deep on routes because of the depth Vilma can get from MLB.)

 

Usng grade letters does not really tell us much. WHat does a C mean? What a particular grade means is all one persons subjective opinion. There is no uniformity or agreement as to what thye mean. A better system would be to just grade them to other teams.

Qb - Average to above average. A healthy Pennington will upgrade this.
Rb - Average
Fb - Below average
Wr - Below average We have one number 2 WR, one number 3 and rest are #4's at best.
Te - Below Average
Ol - Signifigantly below average - Starting 2 new OL no matter how hreat thier potential most likely means a lot of growing pains. Sadly the OL is considerably improved over last year.
Lb - Average to Below Average
Dl - Average
Db - Signifigantly below average. 3 nickle corners all batlling for starting positions does not bode well.
St - Above average
CS Signifigantly below average. ALmost no expereince on the CS. Hard to find a CS in the NFL more lacking in expereince. Does that mean they will do bad. No, but there will be growing pains as they mature into the job and attempt to gain and keep the respect of the players. It is quite possible if the team starts off poorly the CS could lose the team and never get it back.

While this may look bleak I believe position by position we have the most talent that we have had here since either the 2001 or 2000 season. Yes we have been in rebuilding mode since the 2002 season when Parcells overspending caused us to dismantle the team. But the team is better. It may not have the most talented players but it has players that play hard and are used to winning. Talent isn't everything. Arguably the 2002 team was the least talented team in the NFL that year but it still made the playoffs. They key to the season is not the lack of talent but getting good QB play and how we adjust to the new systems and new CS. Good, smart QB play makes every player on the team better. As long as we stick to the plan that has made the team a success the last 5 years of few turnovers, few penalties and don't beat ourselves we can win despite poor talent as long as we get good QB play.

 

QB - B- promising
RB - C+ all depends on Curtis
FB - C- Askew enough said
WR - C- Could be better lets see what our rookie slash does
TE - B- A good mix of vetrens and rook
OL - B+ Cant be bad as last year

LB - B+ VILMA thats y
DL - D+ They need to prove themselves
DB - C++ Aint a B But Better then a C+
Special Teams - B Nuge needs to justify that 2nd rd pick
Coaching Staff - B+ Good draft good youth movement now get the players to beleive in ya

 

Thats what i know, if Dyson was so good he wouldnt be on his 3rd team in 3 years.

 

It's not like he's a bad player, it's ridiculous to say that. The Titans were heading in a different direction and were getting rid of most players with experience. Not to mention they had terrible cap implications having to get rid of Mason, Rolle and Dyson. He was hurt with the Hawks' in 06', and they had already signed Herndon, and drafted Babineux. So they went for the younger players with more invested in them obviously.

 

While I agree with your rankings of this year (particulary in regards with DBs - you people giving As to the DBs need to lay off the crack pipe), to say this is the most talent the Jets have had since 2001 is a bit of a reach. Furthermore, to say the 2002 team was the least talented team in the NFL is an outright joke. Just look at the 2002 team using your system above (which is a good one):

QB - Above Average. Pennington led the league in passer rating
RB - Above Average. A younger Martin with LaMont Jordan. Waay better than what we have now
FB - Average. Least important position, but Richie Anderson was OK.
WR - Average. Coles was great, but not explosive. Both Moss and Chrebet were more like 3's that year.
TE - Below Average. Becht was a decent blocker but he dropped too many drive killing passes.
OL - Excellent. People seem to forget that the Jets had a great line up until last year. In 2001, they almost had both the fewest sacks allowed and most rushing yards gained. In 2004, Martin led the league in rushing because of great line play (how else can you get a rushing title w/o having a run longer than 29 yards?) In 2002, the line was still strong with McKenzie, Randy Thomas, Mawae, Szott and Fabini.
DL - Slightly Above Average. Ellis started to come into his own this year, Ferguson was solid, Josh Evans was underrated and Abraham was a threat even though he had a less spectacular year.
LB - Below Average. Mo Lewis and Marvin Jones were almost fully decayed. Cowart was very average.
DB - Below Average. Individually, these guys sucked, but they fit the cover 2 well and played OK, particulary down the stretch.
Special Teams - kickers were below average, coverage was OK and returns were excellent (2 TDs each for Moss and Morton). So i'll split the middle and say average.
CS - Below Average.

By your measure, i think the 06 jets are only better than the 02 at LB, ST and CS.