I dont think it is set in stone that we will be a full 3-4 defence this year. I mean we were not actually fully set up for this scheme at the moment. We have Vilma who was a beast in 4-3 but no one knows if he can play ILB in a 3-4 many people say hes to small. We also have Robertson, can he really play NT? I am very sure that he can't. I remember he tried to play at that position and failed miserably. So we really dont have the strong foundation for a 3-4 defence JUST YET. I am a very strong supporter of 3-4 but im not sure that we should be fully comitting to it just yet. But moving into it kind of 60-40 percent. Wut do u guys think?
I'd go with 75-25 in favor of 43. The players just fit that 43 way more than they do a 34, trying to change the Defense wholesale would lead to a catastrophic failure.
I may be one of the few, but I think DRob is tailor-made for the NT. I do fear for Vilma, but I just can't believe that we would force him to be an inside block-taking on, run-stuffing backer. I just can't. Not sure what they will do, but I'm sure we'll put him in position to succeed.
I went with mostly 3-4 because I think if we are going to do it we gotta go all out. I don't think these players can learn two new schemes in one year. We might as well make the full transition and then see what we have and don't have and if we need to switch back then so be it.
How healthy is Robertson? I mean, his legs are already questionable. I heard rumblings about a premature retirement LAST year b/c of injury, and now we're here...wondering about the 3-4 or 4-3. If it's the 3-4, then we're depending on an iffy health factor to be the anchor? And what if he gets hurt early? Where's the depth? Thomas, Robertson and Ellis is as frightening as our qb situation (prior to the draft). I'm not trying to be the buzzkill here...but am I the only one who remembers grave health concerns regarding our DT situation? What's changed about it to give us hope against the run? Are we counting on Vilma too much? I think the Jets need to seriously consider trading for a DT sometime before Week 6. Unless Robertson's 100% healthy, and the rock NT we need him to be...Lendale White's going to have a tremendous game in his pro debut.
when did robertson try and fail miserably at the nt position?? i think he can eat up blocks just fine....think 2004 when he should have been the playmaker, everyone was defending him because he was eating up double teams every play
I was just thinking about that, JetTalk. We have invested in so many linebackers, and have potentially seven linebackers that could be competing for starting spots. While I don't think Mangini should've forced the 3-4 by bringing in all the guys, it looks to be the way that we're headed.. Letting our 4-3 defensive end slip away and bringing in a couple of 3-4 ends (Kimo, Pope).
I'm more for running a 4-3 more than a 3-4. We do NOT have the personnel for to run either successfully. But our best defensive of players will play better in a 4-3. D Rob is NOT NT material. We saw last year what happened to him when he takes on 2 blockers. in order for a 3-4 to be successful, you have to be able to disguise your TRUE intentions and do it any way. bottom line is ... our personnel is designed for more success running a 4-3 than a 3-4
I think it will be mostly 3-4, but a good chunk of 4-3 becuase of the personel on the team. IMO, this teams LBs are not ideal 3-4 LBs. Eric worked with bigger LBs in NE. The Patriots LBs were usually around 30 pounds bigger than the NYJ biggest (which I think is Vilma at 230). Clearly Vilma is here to stay, but the other guys may not be cut for this system at all.
A bit more of the 4-3, doesnt matter that we have a good amount of linebackers, injuries happen, and having more LB's gives for a faster special teams also.
Excuse me? Most of our layers having been playing in a 4-3 for years, its like riding a bicycle to them, the only new scheme they have to learn is the 3-4, this is why the base will be a 4-3 because they know it, and use the 3-4 for speacial plays or use it like 35 to 40 percent of the time. Now when they learn the 3-4r like they know the 4-3 and when the 2007-08 season begins then we can debate a bit more if they will completely be a 3-4 base.
holy shit...when the hell was this where robertson failed when taking on 2 blockers.....for the life of me i can not remember this...am i going crazy??????
