Hi all, I?m a first time long time and I am excited to start giving some input on my BOYS. Let?s get into why I think AJ Hawk will be a member of the New York Jets next year. For starters Hawk has been labeled by many as a cant miss LB and perennial prowl bowl talent. We are in a position where we can?t afford to take a chance, we need a sure thing. I know that nothing in life is absolute, including the NFL draft but lets play the % game at least. While I agree it would be nice to have a STUD LT, ?another? franchise QB or even a RB of the future after Curtis rides off into the sunset, we need to know what we are getting. It?s quite obvious that many on this board think the Jets draft selection is a 5 horse race. Cutler, D?Brick, White, D. Williams, and Hawk. If, and it is a strong possibility they wont, the Jets decide to use the #4 lets break down each of these talents. Jay Cutler-----Has all the intangibles that NFL scouts look for. Size, arm strength, mobility, accuracy, and even the arrogance of Dan the man. Heck I would not spit at the TV if we selected him but it WILL NEVER HAPPEN. It is not from the lack of talent, it is from the lack of cap room. Ask yourself this question, what will is cost to lock him up? Will he hold out? Who else would we have to rework just to sign this one pick? For all you Cutler lovers out there, I?m with you but we need to be more realistic when it comes to figures. We keep Chad at a reduced number?.2-3 Mill with back end incentives and sign a vet or more realistically draft another #12 out of Bama later in day 1. D?Brick------Now on pure potential, this guy is the #1 player in the draft since Julius Peppers came out. Freakish wingspan and feet that keep him in position are what separate this guy from any other tackle in the draft. He does lack that mean streak we are looking for. He will also have to put on a massive amount of weight before each season so he can maintain a 305-310 playing weight during the season. Again would love to have him, the biggest question is?.at this point in his career, is he better than Adrian Jones? At best, it would be a wash and that brings us back to the cap situation. Any Idea what a #4 round 1 LT will cost us? And what is Jones cap hit? As Mang and T-bomb build this team they will do it the right way. Stockpile picks in a deep o-line draft and NEVER OVERPAY FOR POTENTIAL. Whit and Williams------White has what Williams doesn?t and Williams has what White doesn?t. White runs identically like Duce Staley, exact reprint. Strengths are hitting the whole HARD and running with his pads squared up. Lacks the speed, agility, and hands to be effective as a receiver out of the backfield. He will be a very good back if he can stay healthy. Williams has the speed to get the corner and the moves to hit the HR. In college he ran hard and was able to run between the tackles as well, partially because of the level of competition. In the NFL he will be either ineffective or injured often in my opinion. If he does have the speed to get to the outside in the NFL, he could be an effective change of pace back ala Tatum Bell without the Denver Line. I HATE the idea of drafting a RB this high in the draft. Heck I hate the idea of drafting a RB in this draft at all on day 1. We WAST a pick if we do this?. A.J. Hawk---------His strengths are play action recognition, flow to the ball carrier, coverage and the Knack for the BIG PLAY. He played in arguably the best football conference in the NCAA---the BIG 10. I don?t see many weaknesses in his game; he is one of the ugliest guys Iv ever seen in my life though. Now the reason why this makes the most sense. The OLB position will command far less money. We need to maximize our $$ and we get the most bang for the Buck with Hawk. Combine that with the imminent switch to the 3-4 or flashes of it this year. We will be able to cover up the loss of Crybaby Abe faster without paying DE like $$. Barton, Vilma, Hobson, Hawk playing behind DE-Thomas or Robertson DE- Ellis NT-Pouha or Robertson. In my opinion this makes the most sense if we actually use the draft choice, which we may not?We trade down and stockpile picks or we go for it and get the best LB?s in the league. Sorry this was WAY too long but I have been listing to all this talk and wanted to break down the talents and the logic behind drafting them.
People are clamoring for AJ Hawk because they say he will be great in a 3-4, but he if anything he is what does NOT fit the 3-4. Way too undersized to play OLB in a 3-4, and we already have an undersized LB (Vilma). He may be a good blitzer but thats in the 4-3 and in a 3-4 he will have trouble disengaging a block. But take his teammate, Bobby Carpenter would be the exact type of player the 3-4 commands. Big at around 260 pounds and runs a 4.5, and a great blitzer to boot. If you take any linebacker early for the 3-4 he is the guy you take. Sadly he might not be around in the 2nd round when we pick. But there are other options...Ive always thought Daryll Tapp would be an interesting prospect in a 3-4
I understand you point, But size is not the make or break for a 3-4 linebacker. Rushing abilities and the way he sheds blocks are more important. With Ellis, Robertson and Pogha upfront we have the protection we would need. Just think how the rushing abilities of hawk and barton would help our DB's out.
If we draft Hawk it would be a huge mistake. Not because he won't be a good player, but because we are rotting on the offensive side of the ball. Jay Cutler is the perfect fit for this team.
Cutler would be a horriable choice. We would be paying big$$ for a guy that didnt prove that much in college. How is Dewayn Robertson doing after he shot up the dratf board that fast??=OVERPAYING for talent is why we are in this position
I'll be shocked if Jets stay a #4. In my opinion the Jets trade down. The key is that there are too many needs and the Jets will not let themselves get sucked into 'lovin' one particular pick. They have several candidates they will be happy with in the 1st round. Ideally, they would like to get more picks if possible by trading down. Prediction: No qb in first round.
valid point about aj, but we need too much help offensively to not pick cutler or dbrickshaw. and yes, dbrickshaw is better than adrian. regardless, if we draft him, we'll have two youngsters with miles of potential in a line which is desintegrating.
yah bro, let me get my Hawk Avaitor and I will start lobbying like you....just the cap facts...I do as well think we will trade down, but if we use the 4 we pick AJ for the above mentioned reasons
Too many offensive needs. Ok, let's just take a look at all the offensive needs. It's ridiculous: QB RB WR TE the entire offensive line Basically, the whole offense needs to be revamped before we even THINK about taking defense. I wouldn't be against taking someone like Bobby Carpenter in Round 2, and he fits Mangini's 3-4 better anyway. You can't use the #4 pick on the overwhelmingly dominant side of your team.
We can't just ignore the defense, but I agree we need a leader on offense. Jay Cutler can be that guy...
Hey bud, ease off a bit. If you're a long time reader, you know we don't like that kind of stuff. Thanks.
IF Jets are going defense(highly unlikely with offense needs) DE Mario williams would be more logical choice. Why Mangini comes from same school as Raiders DC Rob Ryan. He most likely wants to be able to play b/oth the 3-4and 4-3 defense without having to change personal on the field. Mario Williams can play DE in 3-4 or 4-3(your R Seymour) . Mangini looking for that versatilty. Bryan Thomas is too small to play DE in 3-4 , would most likely be a oLB in 3-4. Another fact is there are more quality Lbs in this draft and in FA( J Peterson , L arrington- salary cap victim0, than on Dline. There a very good chance you pass on LB , you can still get a very good one in later rounds.
You know i was thinking about going d in the draft but i think Greenway is a better 3-4 linebacker because he is a better pass rusher, and he is bigger, also with Greenway we can trade down and pick up a 2nd round pick.
Greenways not bigger, unless you consider 4 pounds to be a major difference. But hes also 3 inches taller, meaning hes a bit lankier too. Id go with Carpenter in the 2nd. There are also some intruiging DE prospects that could probably move to OLB in a 3-4, including Daryll Tapp and Stanley McGlover. Theyd be worth a look in the 3rd round
Carpenter will prob. not be there in the 2nd, and as much as i want to convert a DE we need a started now, a DE will take some time to train them to be a good OLB. Greenway is a playmaker in the passing game as a cover man and a rusher and he is a great run defender. I feel Greenway is our best option.
