Playoff Question

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  1. joejets1

    joejets1 Member

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    This was after the Jets game was played out, but, I still couldn't figure this thing out.

    The graphic yesterday showed how the Jets would be eliminated with a loss to the Colts. I was very confused by this.

    For arguments sake, say every team loses next week as well and the Jets win. (Steelers beat the Dolphins so the Dolphins are eliminated.

    Standings (Conf in Parenthesis)

    Steelers 9-7

    Broncos 8-8 (6-6)
    Jets 8-8 (6-6)
    Ravens 8-8 (6-6)
    Houston 8-8 (6-6)

    How would the Jets have been eliminated from this scenario.

    A team has to beat all the other teams, or lose to the other teams to be eliminated.
    Common Games - There arent a minimum of 4.

    Would it have come down to strength of victory?
     
  2. NYJ_JD

    NYJ_JD Member

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    i didn't see that.. and since we had control of our own destiny.. there is no way that we would go from controlling our own destiny to elimated..

    UNLESS.. two teams fighting for playoffs play each other.. then that would guarantee that one of the teams would win... (barring a tie).. but this doesn't matter
    we won.. we need one more win and we ARE IN THE PLAYOFFS!!..

    lets not waste time talking about if we lost...
     
  3. JCotchrocket

    JCotchrocket Active Member

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    Minimum of 4 refers to teams in contention, not the number of common games.
     
  4. joejets1

    joejets1 Member

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    How are the Jets eliminated with a loss in week 17 anyway. If every team finished at 8-8 and 6-6 conf record. Steelers would be 9-7(beating the Dolphins). How would they lose out on tiebreakers
     
  5. MadBacker Prime

    MadBacker Prime THE Dead Rabbit

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    We beat Houston, and Denver lost to the Raiders.

    Ravens lost to the Colts and we beat them so I don't see it either.


    Denver beat the Pats but also lost to the Colts so based on common opponents we would be in right?

    If the Ravens do lose to it would be to the Raiders, so that's another common opponent.
     
  6. MadBacker Prime

    MadBacker Prime THE Dead Rabbit

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    TO BREAK A TIE FOR THE WILD-CARD TEAM

    If it is necessary to break ties to determine the two Wild-Card clubs from each conference, the following steps will be taken.

    If the tied clubs are from the same division, apply division tie breaker.
    If the tied clubs are from different divisions, apply the following steps.
    Two Clubs

    Head-to-head, if applicable.
    Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
    Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four.
    Strength of victory.
    Strength of schedule.
    Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
    Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
    Best net points in conference games.
    Best net points in all games.
    Best net touchdowns in all games.
    Coin toss.


    Three or More Clubs

    (Note: If two clubs remain tied after third or other clubs are eliminated, tie breaker reverts to step 1 of applicable two-club format.)

    Apply division tie breaker to eliminate all but the highest ranked club in each division prior to proceeding to step 2. The original seeding within a division upon application of the division tie breaker remains the same for all subsequent applications of the procedure that are necessary to identify the two Wild-Card participants.
    Head-to-head sweep. (Applicable only if one club has defeated each of the others or if one club has lost to each of the others.)
    Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
    Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four.
    Strength of victory.
    Strength of schedule.
    Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
    Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
    Best net points in conference games.
    Best net points in all games.
    Best net touchdowns in all games.
    Coin toss



    So our strength of victory would've knocked us out-
     
  7. SuperBowl50

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    In the scenario above, Houston gets eliminated first because of Conference Record. Then the Ravens get eliminated on common opponents (CIN, IND, NE, OAK, they'd be 0-5 vs. 3-2 and 3-2). The Jets and Broncos would then be tied on record, conference record and common opponents (same as before, 3-2), so it goes to strength of victory. Broncos have a large enough lead that the Jets can't make up the gap next week (Broncos have beaten a lot of strong opponents like the Pats, Chargers, Cowboys, Giants).

    However, if the Jets and Broncos win, Jets beat the Broncos on common opponents (4-1 vs 3-2) since the Jets play CIN in week 17. Hence, the Jets are eliminated with a loss. The Jets game vs. Cincy is actually worth a little more than a normal game because it's a common opponent of both the Broncos and Ravens.

    Basically, this week is exactly like a playoff game. Win and we're in, lose and we're out. Same was true vs. the Colts.
     
  8. JCotchrocket

    JCotchrocket Active Member

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    I take back what I originally said. I have no idea how we would have been eliminated. I trust that we would have been and I'm glad that we haven't.
     
  9. SuperBowl50

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    IND is also a common opponent for BAL and DEN. Had we lost, we would have been eliminated since we would lose on strength of victory to the Broncos (see above for scenario). It just so happens that the last two teams we play are also teams that BAL and DEN have played so they're worth slightly more than a game to us.
     
  10. bigoakley

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    so does this mean that if the jets win, they're the 5th seed? Cause it looks like we're the top wild card hopeful right now right? So it looks to me that either we win and we're the 5th seed, or we lose and we're out.

    Which means there's no chance of playing NE in the WC round. WHEN we beat Cincy, they'll be the 4th seed, and we'll be 5, which means we play at Cincy in the WC game. I LOVE this.

    Assuming the Pats defend their turf, that means we'd go back to Indy for the divisional round, to haunt Caldwell and his decision to rest his starters. This is all an awesome scenaio...

    getting ahead of myself, but yeah, my question is, if the Jets beat the Bengals on Sunday, is there any way that we're not the 5th seed?
     
  11. MadBacker Prime

    MadBacker Prime THE Dead Rabbit

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    You are correct if we win we are the 5th seed, no other scenario could knock us out of that spot.
     
  12. SuperBowl50

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    The Jets will be the 5th seed. The Bengals can be the 3rd seed, however. If the Pats lose and a few other results go the Bengals' way, they can lose and still get the 3rd seed on strength of victory. Thus, it's possible for us to play the Patriots as the 5th seed and they the 4th seed. For that to happen:

    NE lose
    JAX lose
    PIT lose

    plus a few other results which I can't detail here. But it is possible that we play CIN or NE in the next round.
     
  13. soxxx

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    We COULD possibly clinch before the Game. We need

    Steelers to beat the Dolphins
    Broncos lose
    Ravens lose
    Texans lose

    Obviously not going to happen, besides it would kill the celebration of actually winning and getting in, than going into the game knowing we are in.
     
  14. GreyhoundJet

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    According to the Yahoo Playoff thing this wouldn't put us in. I don't think there is any way for us to clinch without winning.
     
  15. Jetfanmack

    Jetfanmack haz chilens?

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    We are eliminated from the playoffs if we lose

    We can get in with a tie, but we need a ton of help

    So just win, baby...
     
  16. LeonNYJ

    LeonNYJ Well-Known Member

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    Patriots* will lose because you know Belicheat wants to play the Jets or at the very least give the Bengals something to play for so that they'll try to eliminate the Jets.
     
  17. Jetfanmack

    Jetfanmack haz chilens?

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    Stop it. If they lose, it has nothing to do with us.
     
  18. Footballgod214

    Footballgod214 Well-Known Member

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    so if it comes down to a coin toss, what do you call? heads or tails. DONT GET IT WRONG!
     
  19. steves850

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    That's a pretty ignorant statement to make.
     
  20. firemanedjr

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    Tails never fails.
     

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