Wow - finally found two articles in the NY papers that are objective and reasonable - one of which is from the unlikeliest of sources in Cannizzaro. I never read anything by Boone before but his is a great article as well. Between both of these articles, there are some real swipes at both the press and fan base for unrealistic expectations and the "woe is me" Same Old Jets nonsense that permeates the fanbase. Kudes to both Mark and Roderick for telling it straight! http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/jets/...ycsx5xJHhAWWLO http://www.newsday.com/columnists/roderick-boone/jets-are-learning-so-give-them-time-1.1596554
Agreed Yeah, after calming down a bit from Sunday, its clear that 3-0 changed the mind set, and in the end, we are what we are and that's a team with talent but in transition. You CAN NOT win with a rookie QB and coach in the same year unless you have no holes. And with Jenkins and Leon out, along with only one CB we have holes to fill. If we lose Sunday, the season is over and that's what sucks because there is 6 more weeks to go. I wish Sunday was the last game of the year and the off season started for the Jets.
no, the best line was referencing scrooge mcduck instead of ebenezer scrooge. I don't know why but that puts a big smile on my face. Boone's the best writer on the Jets beat (since Tom Rock left).
I like Ryans Bravado and he should keep it up. Hes still learning and will make a very good head coach. IMO the best coaches have always been 'players' coaches, in the Parcell mould and I see alot of that in him. Importantly the players respond to Ryan and have been very public in their support. This team is still headed in the right direction and has untapped potential, with a decent draft we could have a pretty good young team for years to come. I really think the Doom-mongers amongst Jets fans should step back off the ledge and take a look at exactly we have.
People have an odd habit of doing that, they did the same thing at 8-3 last year. They look at the high-water mark as the expectation of how things should always be, then act shocked and upset when things don't stay that way. The whole league is designed for parity, sometimes you get a run of wins and sometimes you get a run of losses. Four of our five losses have been on the final play of the game, it happens. When we really get that good people can expect more, but it seems like every time we win a few games people cling to that and obsess on it when things turn the other way.
Jets fans are, by and large, manic individuals full of highs and lows. They are either going to the SB or jumping off cliffs. I think there are many things to feel good about this season. Many rough patches with Sanchez and Ryan but I truly believe they get it and will improve.
This is spoken like a true Jets fan who has only once in his life seen a Jets team that was actually good enough to go all the way. Steelers fans, Patriots fans, flavor of the year fans - they've all seen their team play lights out football and follow that up by playing good football and finishing things off. They've all seen their teams have rocky starts and then turn it around and go deep into the playoffs off of a long unbeaten run at the end. Jets fans? We've seen this team get off to hot starts and collapse. We've seen them have hot streaks in the middle of the year and collapse. We've even seen them play steady consistent football now and then before bowing out in the playoffs against a better team. What we've never seen is a Jets team catch the prevailing winds and absolutely glide with them through a magical season. To suggest that somehow we're spoiled because we get pissed off at the SAME OLD CRAP happening again and again is just silly. There was no reason for the Patriots to expect that Tom Brady was going to recover from a lousy start on a team that had gone 5-13 in the first 18 games of the new regime and turn them into a 3 time Super Bowl champion in 4 years - but he did. There was no reason for the St Louis Rams to expect that a nobody reject QB named Kurt Warner would come out of nowhere to win a Super Bowl for them and get them to another in a 3 year span - but he did. There was no reason for the Cowboys to expect they could go from lousy to 3 time Super Bowl champion in a 6 year span - but they did. I'm not the one with the loser mentality when I stand up and say I'm tired of having the Jets turn into a steaming pile of crap with regularity after they've won a few games early and looked good. And to your point on how we always look at the high water mark of the season and get unrealistic expectations, that's usually game 6 - although last year it happened to be game 11 instead. Good teams have a high water mark that happens in December or sometimes January if their fans are lucky. Our high water mark is in September most years, maybe middle of October if we're lucky. Even when the Jets play consistent football for a stretch they are recovering from a 1-4 start to wind up 9-7 or they're backing in at 10-6 after a 5-1 start.
At the beginning of the season I said you guys would struggle with a rookie head coach and rookie QB. Then you won your first 3 games. But since then you guys have seen some adversity. Here's the thing. Long term you guys are in good shape. You lots of talent, Sanchez is a pretty good young QB who will settle down and get better. This is a tough year. All of the AFC east teams are playing against tough teams like the saints. If you guys stick with him I think in 5 years Sanchez will be a top notch QB but first you guys have a young team that's still growing together. In a year or two it's going to be Jet/Dolphins every year fighting for the division. Brady is getting older and Sanchez and Henne are both good young QB's. There are some good years of football up ahead.
:up: Halfway through reading this I'm reminded of that old saying "Can't see the wood for the trees". You nailed it there.
I just get a kick out of people saying anything is 'the same old crap', that its been the same old crap for decades. It's only been the same old crap if all you're looking at is the win/loss column. Even then, sometimes we've been in the playoffs, sometimes we're a top five draft pick, and sometimes, we're mediocre. As good as 12-4 and the AFC Championship game in 98, as bad as you can imagine other years. Same as most other teams, highs and lows. So what's been the same? We've never had a 16-0 season or anything particularly close, but the same goes for the majority of the league. It's a tough league, if you want dominance, watch basketball, you can put safe money on the Lakers doing it every year. It's like the reverse of that John Madden joke, the team that scores the most touchdowns is usually going to win the game. In this case, it's the same old crap year after year after year, because when we lose, we do the sort of things that lead to losing, so it's all the same. Even just this season, we've lost on 5 interceptions (in OT), we've lost on botched snaps, we've lost on 2 huge kick returns, we've lost by getting run over in the run game. Some years we've lost because we're incredibly undertalented, some because practically everybody gets injured. Some winning seasons have been on the backs of seasoned vets, some on the arms of first year starters. We don't lack for variety in any sense, but whenever we're losing, nobody cares about the fact that sometimes weve won, or about anything that happens on the field, its just 'the same old jets' to them. Whatever gets you through the day I guess. I just don't see the sense in it.
man "o" man, where to begin? 1st - parcells is not & was never a players coach! he is a total prick and disciplinarian! ryan is no bill parcells, they're exact opposites. the players responding to ryan are doing it in ryan fashion, shooting off their mouths, so when does the crying start? as far as the team headed in the right direction, i don't know what team you've been watching, but the jets team i've seen is doing the SOJ! other teams get to draft also, and from what i hear, the pats got a lot of early picks again this coming draft, all while we've been great at giving ours away. the doom mongers are seeing the same thing they've seen for many years past, SOJ! start strong and collapse in the middle of the season... we have a coach who talks tough until things get tough, then he starts whining. players that shoot their mouths off and can't back it up. what is there to like about the 2009 JETS????
a dulphins fan sounding like know it all, lol. brady will be playing at a high level for a bit longer than just one or two years. henne and sanchez have proven nothing up until now. too early to say. and who is at the top of the division in two years from now is anyone guess. it could be the bills, all while the dulphins and jets fight for the cellar. the sad fact is, as long as bb and brady are in the division, they'll probably still own it as they have for the last 10 seasons, with the exception of the one fluke year where brady got hurt. now that he's back, the dulphins are in a familiar spot, fighting for the cellar in the division... dulphin fans talked a lot of sh*t before the start of the season! hows that working out for you now? lol
It makes me sad to realise that I'm 28 and in my lifetime the Jets have only twice won more than 10 games in a season.
I don't think its so much that anyone wants Ryan to change who he is, we want him to coach better - to practice what he preaches. His team appears unfocused and undisciplined, and that is a coaching problem. You want to talk, fine, but back it up, and it should start with number 1 - himself.
