http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12552901/page/3/ http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=2427335 http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/peter_king/04/29/5.things.draft/index.html Not a critque on our draft but :beer: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/richard_deitsch/04/30/espn.draft.coverage/index.html http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/columns/story?columnist=smith_michael&id=2426963 I can't find anyone else but Prisco bashing on our draft but he's a moron. If you want to bash a pick don't equate it to the entire draft. While a perfect draft would have been nice, don't equate two 3rd round picks to our draft being a total failure. IMHO Schlegel wasn't that bad of a reach. I had him down as a 4th rounder. It's also kind of funny that most of the people that people wanted to draft ahead of him are still on the board. As much as everyone thinks that they know whats good for the team, only our current coaching staff knows how our current players are going to project into the 3-4. If the staff thinks we need another ILB you have to look into the context on which the pick was made. The best ILBs were already taken in the 2nd and 3rd round. If we needed a ILB, and Schlegel was high on their board this is a pick we needed to make especially in a draft weak in ILB. I don't know what they were thinking with the Eric Smith pick but 4/5 is ok in my book. We got the 2 best OL prospect in their respective positions, our QB of the future, and a smart hard nose run stopper with premier intangibles who can take on blockers and let Vilma make plays. If you don't think our QB of the future is Kellen listen to what Ron Jaworski says about him. This is from his blog but you really need to see the video segment. http://www.ronjaworski.com/free_jaws_bites.php I would also like to remind everyone that we are 3 years away from seriously competing if we follow the Carson Palmer route. A RB makes no sense right now. With Ramsey/Pennington starting this year, Clemens will get to learn the offense and hopefully get first team snaps in practice. In 2 years Clemens should start. That is year that we need to move away from Curtis and draft a RB of the future. In 2 years are OL should have jellyed into a potentially elite line again. I think a platoon of Curtis, Blaylock, and Houston will be fine this year. Martin still has a season or two of juice left in him and remember he was playing hurt last year. Also remember that Herm isn't our coach this year and won't give Martin playing time out of loyalty if he is injured. We also might need a #1 WR depending if Coles is still elite after a year of crappy QBs. New England was able to draft skilled position in this draft because already have a core to their team. This draft gave us that core we needed on the OL. The trade with the Redskins gives the ability to get a top tier WR and RB next year right on schedule. Remember our Defense was elite 2 years ago and that was without a healthy John Abe and a true cover corner that we have now in Dyson. We haven't have alot of turn over from that Defense of 2 years ago and our young ones like Miller, Rhodes, Coleman, and Vilma can only improve. The Super Bowl wasn't won in a draft but I think we are well on our way. (And at least we aren't the Bills) EDIT: Just to add I think the Leon Washington pick just means that the Jets don't like Blaylock or Houston not that we have a franchise RB (I would love to be proven wrong though ).
I think we have done a great job thus far. The Oline will be much better than last year, atleast on paper. I would have taken a flyer on Giles at the end of the 3rd round because he could be very good.
Thanks for posting all of this. I'm happy as hell with how we drafted. I'm glad we didn't give into the temptation of taking a qb when there are way more pressing needs. We're a couple of years away right now and we've done a hell of a job of building our offensive line up to make room for Clemens, if and when he gets a shot at starting.
I think 2 years is more like it if the new regime shows as much savvy as they did yesterday. If they can find the NT I think they might surprise next year.
Nice post. If you think of this as a 2-3 year process, then oline makes a ton of sense to focus on first, because they have the longest careers...
Just to add I think the Leon Washington pick just means that the Jets don't like Blaylock or Houston not that we have a franchise RB (I would love to be proven wrong though ).
Or maybe it means they want more competition. Mind you our RB situation is now set up like our QB situation. An injured & aging veteran (Pennington, Martin), someone who never really got a shot (Ramsey, Blaylock), a almost-nobody with a lot to prove (Bollinger, Houston), and a newly drafted rookie (Clemens, Washington).
the only thing i was furious about was I wanted Max Jean Gilles before I wanted Schlegel. but pickling up Brad Smith and Leon Washington i like. but after getting some sleep, I realize the Schlegel pick is a solid one and now im happy about our draft. i wouldnt have picked him there, but still I like it
It's all relative to who you are taking about and the poster. Alot of people in the media don't know what they are talking about, most posters here including myself don't know what they are talking about. All the threads have simply been negative towards the draft. I wanted to put it in another light. When everyone that gets paid to talk about sports rave about your draft that can't be a bad thing either.
yeah i like it, haha jets fans were just excited about bush and it fell through. we wanted at least one skill position pick before the 4th rd and it didnt happen. a DE/DB, DE hasnt happened yet. And the DB is a little more unknown of the prospects,whos stock rose. and you know what I like the draft, my only complaint was shclegel but now I realize this guy played right next to 2 of the best LB prospects taken this yr and the number one LB taken. so first off, he had to have been coached extremely well. and to keep pace with Hawk and Carpenter he must be a complete psycho on the field. Then I woke up and saw Brad Smith and Leon Washington as our selections, I like it. Mangini will find various roles for Smith and bring him along slowly. Leon Washington, Ive watched his whole career. He is a small, TOUGH, and boy I mean TOUGH player. Always going forward for extra yards, the only question is his ability to carry a workload. But they must feel his potential exceeds the current ability of Blaylock and Houston. and I agree with them.
I agree with what you're saying about the RB situation. We can wait a year or two before we have to draft a franchise RB. The Washington pick is a great value pick and if he does end up being that franchise RB, then that's fantastic. I think he may be too small for that, but he's gonna be an upgrade over Blaylock. I'm still not sure about Houston, but I don't see him being more than a 3rd down back.
yeah thats a good analysis of the pick im an FSU fan and im not blinded, more than likely hes the same change of pace back type that Blaylock is. but he has the toughness and skill to possibly bloom in the NFL. his best running obviously was done when FSU's line was injury free. if Brick and Mangold fit the bill their rookie yr then Washington will find his way into the lineup come next yr. hell he might surprise some people at training camp and beat out blaylock/houston to split carries with martin.
Like I said in another thread, this guy was playing not only behind a crappy o-line, but up against D's that were stacked against the run. FSU had one QB go crazy before the season started (or he took one too many tabs) and were starting a freshman at QB all year. He's got a lot of upside and we got him fairly cheap.
I cant really give an opinion on B. Smith because iv'e never really watched him play but i like his versatility from what i am reading. I really like the Washington pick. I think this guy will be a sleeper and a nice complement to Houston. Schlegel even tho alot of people are complaining about him was a good pick also. Ive watched him play before and he is a high energy guy. The big thing about him is that he is exactly the type of LB we needed. We need a big well built linebacker to take on blockers and open things up for Vilma, I think this is a good pick up for us. And last but not least, Clemens. I really like this kid and IF he turns out to be good, with the additions of what may turn out to be 2 great O-linemen, this may be the best draft we'v ever had.
oh haha yeah i know the whole story sexton, lhymes disease the dude went mental walking the streets claiming he was god. i live in FL and have plenty of friends on campus. yeah, they expected to run washington in the ground behind a o-line that went from great to horrendous through injury. in order to help the play of their freshman QB (weatherford). i like your style F Miami and even more your Name. :breakdance: oh another thing hey F Miami do you think they shouldve been playing Lee? I do, its college athleticism can win games. and Lee has just as much an arm as Weatherford. I was there for the FSU VS NCSU game. they threw Lee in for one drive near the end of the game when they knew everything our offense was doing. He failed to score so they pull him out? ridiculous
I don't know. I only saw him play a couple of times and he looked lost. Maybe in a couple of years, but I don't see him taking the starting job from Weatherford. I'm not really a big FSU fan, but a few friends here are Alum. I'm a PSU alum so I had good time with them during the Orange Bowl.
