This is crazy. Football is a 45 man game. The Jets have so many holes and the picks to fill them. Bush alone is not going to make the Jets measurably better without improving the OL. By taking Bush and giving up the 29th pick and a third round pick, the Jets' chances of improving the OL decrease dramatically. What if Justice and Mangold and Winston are off the board when the Jets make their second pick? Are we really willing to go through another season of patchwork play on the OL? The Jets should stay put. NO doesn't need Bush and can't pay him. If Bush falls in the Jets lap at 4, then fine. If not, go with the plan. The reality is that Bush and Williams were likely to go 1 -2 anyway. Let's not fall for the allure of making a "sexy" pick and forget that this team is woefully inadequate in the trenches. Would you trade Abraham, Ferguson/Leinart, and a 3rd rounder for Bush? That is what the Saints are asking. With holes at LT, RT, DT, DE etc, why make that deal? I know we all have visions of Bush running wild next year. But this is the NFL and not college and without room to run, he will do very little. Remember Marshall Faulk on a bad Colt team? Probably not, because he didn't do much. His career blossomed when he was traded to a team that, at that time, could block and use him as a weapon. With a recovering Pennington, no OL, mediocre WR's and new OC, defenses will put 8 in the box and stuff Bush week after week. It's a trap. Stick with the plan and take who is there at 4, be it Ferguson or Hawk and let's grab some real help at 29 and 35 - Mangold or Winston or Carpenter or Maroney etc and build a TEAM.
Normally I am against ding such a thing since evryone wants us to do and they consider him "can't Miss" but something tells me we have to get this done and I think it will get done. We are going to overpay as the slot will be highl coveted by many teams but hopefully we don't overpay too much.
If anything, the Jets should be trading down, not up: as you say, we have multiple holes to fill, an extra pick in the second round would be very nice indeed if we could get it.
The only problem w/ the Robertson deal is it turned out he had a bad knee but if he was healthy and played like he did in '04(or if he returns to that form) then it was worth it.
are you really comparing Robertson who is a workout warrior. to bush who is arguably best CFB player to ever comeout? i think Bush play speaks for itself. as to where robertson combine #s did his talking.
for 4, 29, and 71, I do it. But not for all these other things that NO wants like next years first and stuff. Thats a rip off.
I don't think this Reggie thing changes too much - except it eliminates the player I think the Jets had targeted all along: Mario. I think we'll still trade down.
Hershel Walker and OJ were probably the two greatest college football RB to come out in the last 40 years. Neither one put their teams over the hump. Walker would be taken over Bush in this draft in my opinion.
Blair Thomas was a can't miss star in 1990. YOu won't know who is the best CFP to come out this year for another three years, but it is often NOT the first or second pick in the draft. Nobody can sit here today and accurately predict where things will be 5 years from now. Bush could tear a knee in week one and Ferguson could go on to be the next Walter Jones and Mangold the next Kevin Mawae, and then where would the Jets be? Laughing stocks again. The last two times the Jets traded up - in 2001 for Moss and in 2003 for Robertson - it was not worth it. Trading the multiple early picks this team acquired to rebuild this team would just not be worth it and would undo the rebuilding plan. We'll see how smart and how "New England" thinking this FO is. Would NE trade three picks to move up two spots to take a non-power RB? I doubt it? Pittsburgh? Doubtful. They were happy to wait for Roethlesberger to fall in their lap when everyone was climbing all over each other for Manning. Stay put. This is a deep draft. You don't give up picks in a deep draft when you have multiple holes to fill. If Bush was the LAST piece of the puzzle, then fine, but as the first?
I pretty much agree with you however since early draft picks are a crapshoot and they are expensive if they really believe Bush is special they can trade picks and use the money to sign quality FA's instead. This is how the Giants have compensated for trading picks for Manning and they have been very successful building a quality team that way.
you can make arguments for any position. Why take a QB when Montana was a 3rd rd pick and won 4 and Brady was a 6th rd pick and has 3 already? TD put Elway over the hump and he was a 6th rd pick. Starhan wasn't a 1st rd pick, Erik Williams was a 3rd rd pick and a key to dallas' dynasty, Larry Allen wasn't a 1st rd pick. You can state a case for any position, we all know the draft is a crapshoot but potential like Buish doesn't come around often and if we can swing the deal we should.
I like going after Bush and giving up picks isn't that big a deal since we can compensate by using the money on future picks to buy FA's. The problem is we don't have a quality QB and the way to get a quality QB is in the draft.
Montana was a 3rd rd pick, Brady a 6th rd pick, Warner was undrafted, favre was a 2nd rd pick. you can find QBs later just as you can find any position later but i am too tempted to get Bush, normally I wouldn't want to do this but I think he's going to be special.
As much as I respect Winnie's opinion I'm going to go with JWWS on this one. The Jets have too many needs to package a lot of value for Bush right now. I do believe that Bush is most of what he seems to be. He's going to be a Marshall Faulk-like force on the field of play for as long as he holds up. Unfortunately the Jets do not have the horses right now to take advantage of that. If they had Orlando Pace and Kurt Warner and Isaac Bruce and Torry Holt sitting on the roster waiting for the great tailback to show up I'd say grab Bush by any means necessary and go score 450 pts. Adrian Jones is not Orlando Pace. Chad Pennington and Patrick Ramsey are not Kurt Warner. Laveranues Coles and whoever are not Bruce and Holt. And Bush would not be Faulk stepping into that talent group. I'm not saying avoid Bush. If he drops to the 4 the Jets should be all over him regardless of who else is there. But they need the other draft picks in this equation to become players on their team not on New Orleans. I'm not going to beat the dead horse on the number of picks the previous regime paid for Moss and Robertson but it's absolutely true that they screwed us out of trading up for Bush in the process. Unless we just want to be a bad team for two or three years with a big marquee name trying to sell tickets for us. I'll leave that position to the Saints.
That is so wrong. Look at Faulk's numbers BEFORE he played with Warner and then the 3 years he got to play with him. Just look at the numbers. I'm not going to post them for you because they are so glaring that I do not feel the need. Faulk and Warner both contributed heavily to each other's successes and both declined at the same time.
While Bush is immensely talented, I tend to agree. I would not make a trade that includes EITHER next year's #1 (what if we need a #1 QB if this isn't addressed) or the entire draft slate into the fourth round (meaning #4, #29, #35, and #68). There is no chance of either occurring if it were under my watch. We could get a LT, DE, and RB with the first three picks. This would seem better than drafting only Bush and having picks tomorrow.
