The run game *should* be better this year. The entire o-line is the same and we added a much needed power back for short yardage/goal line and closing out games. Whoever is the QB should benefit from a strong rushing attack and good protection. Hopefully they also benefit from a solid defense. That would be a pretty good situation for any QB to succeed.
Of course Sanchez would be a backup fantasy player as a rookie. I probably would have him as a 3rd QB, he's a rookie. Don't expect Matt Ryan again, it could happen but it's unfair to expect it to happen.
I just don't understand what you're arguing here, guy. "What good is having a QB if he can't throw the football?" Because he's the biggest part of that "number 1 rushing attack," putz! There is no connection, NO CONNECTION WHATSOEVER, to the Falcons running game of last year and those from the years before. Two-fifths of the o-line were still in college, different fullback, different starting running back, different back-up running back, different tight end. Matt Ryan did not inherit a strong rushing attack. He benefited from one that developed concurrently with his own skills.
Why must Jet fans constantly express their immature side with childish insults? I'll remind you again, the Falcons finished with the second best rushing attack in the NFL last year wiuthout Vick. Vick May have been successful running the ball in Atlanta, but many of "Vicks yards" weren't designed running plays, they were passing plays were Vick didn't allow the play to develop or he refused to go through his progressions and just decided to run the ball. In his NFL career, he never avg. more than 65 yards per game, hardly a major factor in the Falcons rushing attack. He was by far the biggest threat to run the ball from the QB position in the NFL, but Vick wasn't the reason the Falcons were so dominant running the ball. As a matter of fact, for his career, Vick avg. just over 30 yards per game rushing.
That's actually pretty impressive. Straight from wikipedia... In 2006, Vick became the only quarterback to run for over 1000 yards in the regular season. He also broke the record for most yards per carry with 8.4 YPC.
not sure how having a new coaching staff would affect a rookie QB. not like he spent a ton of time with the old coaching staff. it's all new either way.
It's the fact that the rest of the offense is familiar with the system and able to fill in the gaps missing from the rookie QB's repertoire. Being that our OC of the last 3 years is returning this year and Rex has next to nothing to do with the O, the head coaching change should not negatively affect the rookie's development as a full regime change would.
I think the point people are making here is that the original SI article that the OP posted argued that Sanchez could not be analagous to Matt Ryan because the Jets have a new coach and new faces on offense. And our response to that is - it is analagous and the expectations for Ryan were exactly the same considering Atlanta also had a new coach and had even more new faces on offense. True, as you stated, Atlanta had previously had a successful running game. But that was, in large part, due to Vick's skills as a runner, which were obviously no longer relevant when evaluating Ryan's chances for success as last season began. If much of the OL and many other offensive players and coaches changed before last season began, it's tough to argue that expectations were higher for Ryan then than they would be for Sanchez now. True, as you stated, Atlanta had an outstanding running game and offense last season. But that wasn't contingent upon their success a few years ago. It developed last season, after the season began, as a result of the skills of new players and coaches. So, it couldn't have been predicted based on previous season's success. In other words, when you look at the original point people were making, it was nothing more than SI was incorrect in saying you can't compare Sanchez this year to Ryan last year, because the Falcons going into last year were similar in a lot of ways (if not more uncertain) than the Jets going into this year. Hope I didn't misspeak for anyone, but at least that's the impression I got about what everyone was trying to say.
Uh, no. As I said multiple times, everyone realizes that they were successful running the ball last season. However, it's impossible to suggest that success is continuous due to some sort of carryover from the Vick years. The two are unrelated. Who exactly is the link that you're suggesting between the two? Everyone integral to the running game from 2004 - 2006 was gone by 2008 except the center. NOBODY was basing expectations for the run game in 2008 on those 3 Falcon seasons. How could they? Basically, an analogous situation would be suggesting that Pennington succeeded at the QB position in Miami last season because Marino was so successful during his career. The same number of offensive pieces were in place for both. See how ridiculous it sounds?
Good post, I think what speaks volumes here is that Atlanta commits to the run no matter who the HC, QB, Oline or RB's are. Obviously it's important to them, obviously it's no accident considering how many times over the last 10 years they've been one of the top rushing teams. As I stated, the Jets aren't as committed. Proof? Last year the Jets go out and spend a forturne to upgrade their rushing attack and leave it in the garage because Brett Favre is the QB. Obviously the Jets and Falcons have two different POV on running the ball. My entire point is Ryan was very successful as a rookie becuase of the commitment to running the ball, "IF" as I said early in this thread the Jets are as committed to the run, than Sanchez or Clemens will have a much better chance to succeed, that and the success of Ryan. As was the story in Atlanta last year.
Not as ridiculous as comparing one situation that took place 9 years removed (Pennington/ Marino) and the other just 1 season removed (Vick/ Ryan). Do the world a favor, lose the attitude, it's clouding your ability to think....I hope.
Clearly they commit to the run no matter what. I mean, ranking 29th in rushing attempts 2 years ago demonstrates that they ALWAYS commit to the run NO MATTER WHAT. It couldn't possibly be that, as everyone else has been trying to tell you, they committed to run the ball with Vick as the QB because of his prowess as a rushing QB, and last year because they had a rookie QB. Clearly, there must be some deeper commitment by the franchise itself (or Arthur Blank, perhaps?) Oh, way to try to twist your argument into something that agrees with what we've been saying all along in that last part. What a clown.
Again, the same number of offensive pieces and coaching staff members were in place in the two situations. Or do you think that franchises operate under some sort of Constitution that governs subsequent regimes? I would ask what's clouding your ability to think, but that would presuppose the existence of said ability, and evidence doesn't support such a presupposition.
That is correct, I thought Vick played in 125 games, not 74 games. My mistake. Still just backup numbers and he did so as I staed on busted plays. It was nothing but a bonus for a team that was committed to running the ball. IMO due to Vicks lack of ability to throw the ball.
I was happy the Jets got Sanchez, I'll be rooting for him on week 1, and I hope he's our QB with great success for many, many years to come. But this man should not be drafted in 10-12 team, 15-18 roster spot, redraft leagues. A deep dynasty league? Sure, why not. Especially if you have a spot you're not using. But in all but the deepest redraft leagues? No f'ing way. The guy hasn't taken an NFL snap, and remember, in basically any fantasy draft, you're probably the only person considering grabbing him. So you can either spend a pick on him or draft someone else and take him off waivers while dropping an injured player or something a few weeks down the road. Just my thoughts...
Umm tell me, do you think everything changed when the Changes swept through Dallas after the 07 season? Or do you think the philosphy was still the same? The Cowboys were basically the same team under Wade Phillips and all his new coaches and GM as they were with BP and his staff. I know you think you have all the answers, clearly you don't. Remember BP, Jeff Ireland, Tony Sparano, Paul Pasqualoni,Todd Bowles and Kacy Rodgers all were with the Cowboys till 08 when they became Dolphins. So here was the wholesale changes you claim would drastically change team philosophy when a team makes this many changes, yet the Cowboys were still the same team and philosophy with Phillips as they were with Parcells. Obviously Wade could have made a ton of changes, with all the new players and coaches, because he had HC experience but did not because why change what works? The entire Atlanta Falcons team was not new, some coaching changes and player upgrades were made, but you talk as if the entire team was differnet than the the previous years and that's utterly stupid thinking.
Roddy White and Michael Jenkins were his starting WRs in 2005. White was a Rookie and Jenkins had six receptions total going into that season. It wasn't because of Vick's lack of ability to throw, it was because of lack of experience at the receiving positions. Roddy White has proven that he is capable and that was to be expected, but to expect Vick to put up top numbers without a starting veteran WR is ridiculous.
