I have to think that alot of these "poster's" who make suggestions such as "trade up for Sanchez" must be very young indeed. That is fine. Jets fans young and old have forever idolized the backup QB's whether it was Richard Todd's backup, Ken O'Brien's backup, or Vinny Testaverde's backup. Now these genuises suggest to trade up for an underclassmen QB who has an average arm to play in the windy meadowlands. He started for one college season.WOW, what a great idea. How about these genuis fans simmer down and see what exactly they have in these two young QB's. Do not use 2007 as a point of reference for Kellen Clemens,as three of the lineman he played behind are no longer employed in the NFL. These are the same fans that will say if Clemens go somewhere else and succeeds " same old Jets, how stupid, we should have kept him." They are building a team to run the ball and play defense. Clemens has all the physical tools to get the job done. Every one should give the guy a real chance to see if he really has it. The same offensive line coming back, and he he will be in the same system for 4 years. No excuses. I might be in the minority, but truly think he will succeed. With the team they are building, and the continuity on the offensive line and in the playbook. Simmer down with this Sanchez stuff please.
I'm with you, and I'd add that these Leftwitch, Cutler, V Young, Greise, Simms, Losman etc etc threads are silly and pointless. Ratliff and yes, even Clemens deserve a shot. If the defense plays as well as we hope it will, an offense that can score 17 to 20 points a game might be more than enough.
I agree 100%!! I just don't see how someone would not want to see what he can do now that he has an 'real' chance to succeed (2007 - no first time QB would have a shot with that OL and with that D constantly putting the team in a hole). If we don't, then we're coughing up a 2nd rounder without seeing what he's made of. Now if Ratliff beats him out, so be it; but do not draft a QB!!! I have faith that Rex won't be that foolish.
You liken Sanchez to the back up QBs in the days of old, and then suggest we go the back up QB route. Clemens already had a fair chance at commandeering this club last year in preseason. Cassell played less college ball than Sanchez at the same school, look where he is now. Sanchez may not be the answer, but I don't feel like we have anything close right now. It sucks that we have to discuss him even. Still it's important to not sit idlely and let the QB situation go by the wayside. Bill Walsh said draft a qb every year, and I don't see why we wouldn't this year when it is such a glaring need on the most desperate facet of our team the offense. It doesn't have to be sanchez but we can't bank on a franchise qb being available to us whenever we know for sure that Clemens/Rat/Ainge are the answer or not. Sorry on my phone
I'd go so far as to say... IF Sanchez falls to us at 17... trade down, get out of the spot, get extra picks.
I am a Clemens fan and thinks he's gonna be a good QB but just because I think he deserves a shot does mean we should not bring a veteran in to compete with them. If he's so good then he will get the job and the veteran will be the backup or be cut. There is no way Clemens is a guarentee and I don't feel like wasting another season.
I KNEW there were smart fans out here. I in-turn agree with both of you. IF Ratliff beats him out, so be it. Like you said the Jets have a 2nd rounder, a TRADE-UP 2nd rounder invested in Kellen. Lets stick with what we got.
Thank you. I agree 100%. Sanchez has an average arm and has played 16 college football games. If a guy like Stafford falls then ok you got to take him but thats not going to happen so why not give Ratliff, and Clemens a shot to win the job. Bring in a younger guy like Leftwich as a backup who will push the other two guys and if they are awful you can throw him in there. But the Jets should not draft Mark Sanchez. That would be a mistake IMO.
You must think he will be fill-in for a game or 2 leftwich from the steelers rather than I need to prove I can still start leftwich from the falcons
My thing is this. People who view Casell, Flacco, and Ryan as normal or something to copy-cat they are crazy. How many times has that happened in years past? Vrtually never. If you draft a QB this year, do the Jets start him? No way. You said you don't want to waste another season, and neither do I. but to think any rookie QB would come in and duplicae what either Flacco, Ryan, or 2nd year QB Mat Casell did, tat is foolish. That stuf is such a rare find. Don't expect it again any to see that again any time soon Also, to say Clemens got a fair chance in this year's pre-season???? Come on, a fair chance to what? shining Brett's shoes?
Drafting a QB in the draft is always risky and I'm strictly against ever drafting a QB. The thing is, Ratliff looked good.....against 3rd string defenders in preseason and Clemens might be the worst decision maker I've seen. The Jets need a veteran free agent that can be molded into Ryan's system.
No he's just a guy with who over the course of his career hasnt been that bad at all. It has nothing to do with his Steeler games. As for his Falcon days. He started 2 games.
So if you gather that preseason performance is the measuring stick for 'comandeering' the club and that Clemens failed at this; then with that same criteria, wouldn't Ratliff have proven himself? So your basis for Clemens not deserving a shot points towards Ratliff being given a shot - not drafting a QB.
I don't know if Sanchez is the answer, but you really need to get your facts straight. First Sanchez does not have an average arm, I've seen him throw it fifty yards on the run moving out to his right. While not a burner he's got great movement in the pockets and can make all the throws. Yes, he's inexperienced and you can knock him for that. But he's got far more potential than Clemens, who will never be a great starting quarterback. The Jets best shot on the roster is Ratliff, who, barring an FA signing or highly drafted QB, will be the Jets starting quarterback. You might chuckle at this, but wait and see. Bottom line, if the Jets think Sanchez (who could possibly go #1) or Stafford are a franchise QB, and either start to drop, they'd be nuts not to try and trade up for them. QB is the most important position on the team. Unless you think you have one on the roster, you draft one if the situation presents itself.
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for doing what's best for the team. I just don't understand how you guys can get so excited about Clemens and Ratliff. Clemens boasted the WORST QB rating in the NFL during his short tenure as a starter. I really don't care how bad his o-line was. There is no asterisk next to his stats from that year saying "he had a shitty o-line and running game". You play the game with the team you have on the field at that point in time, period. Ratliff lit up secondaries in the pre-season, you say? OK, fine. He lit up 3rd and 4th string secondaries that most of which probably aren't even on an active NFL roster right now. Like I said, I just don't see where all the excitement is coming from over these two. I'm not sure what the answer is, yet. IF Sanchez does happen to fall to 17, the Jets FO has one hell of a decision on their hands.
No, Clemens got a fair chance in Tc, before we traded for favres rights because chad Clemens and rat weren't making the cs feel confident. He might not start but at the worst will be a back up and you can count on your starting qb out at least 2 games, an 8th of the season. Also, considering the rarity of rookie success at qb is irrelevant bc it is just as unlikely to pluck a back up off an NFL team and guaranteeing success. No matter, there are different avenues in which qbs emerge, we need to open as many avenues as possible.
