I seriously disagree about Rothleisberger the guy is tremendous and clutch. The difference between Flacco, Cassel and Ryan and Clemens and Ratliff may well be Tannenbaum's, Mangini's or Shotty's unwillingness to play them. Regardless that says something about our drafting. Say what you want about Brady but the Pats put him in and left him in something we haven't done.
There's no response required. Read the article paragraph for paragraph and he's right on the money. I could just retype what he wrote but there's no point. It's not like he made claims without backing them up with specifics. The specifics are there. Let's try something different. You pick out parts that you believe to be inaccurate and explain why they're inaccurate giving examples to show your point.
The Redskins have been signing free agents to big contracts for many years. The Jets splurged last season. I don't see the connection. Myers does hit some points correctly. Woody is trying to sell seats. He needs some marquee names to do that. Going after Favre was a no brainer last season. No matter the result, it put national attention on the franchise and stole some of the Giants press coverage. It seems, so far at least, that the Jets are getting players with some upside. Scott and Sheppard are in their late 20's with considerable experience playing in the league. Hopefully, we can make Myers eat his words.
I do not think this is an out of line article. Look at the recent SB teams. They either draft and build towards being champions of they find ways to use these vets who are past their primes in ways that maximizes the abilities they still have. The Jets, on the other hand, bring these guys in make them starters, and put the onus on them to play like the have in the past. It may work if they can get everyone one the same page but it does not build the type of team atmosphere you get when you groom players in a system and then plug in a few key pieces. We are not the Redskins, and I don't think we lack a plan. With Rex Ryan I believe that a long-lasting system will be established, at least on D.
He's right to a point--you do want to keep your better/best players. HOWEVER, like everyone else, NFL players have a shelf life--the error the jets/ Terry Bradway made earlier this decade was shelling out HUGE contracts for jets players who didn't deserve that much money at their age --signing Curtis martin and Wayne Chrebet at age 30 to contracts until 2009 led to guys like Coles jumping ship to Wash and losing a young Lamont Jordan (averaged 8 yards per carry as a rookie) Likewise Bradway signing Chad for $64M because the Pats had given Brady $60M after Brady won 2 super bowls was stupid. Bradway also gave lifetime jet Marvin Jones a 5 year deal at age 30 and Marv limped thru 2 before being cut. Teams need to sign and keep their good players whose best years are ahead of them, not behind them--The Pats for example have no problem saying goodbye to Vrabel, Branch, Samuel, Law, etc. when their demands exceed their shelf life.
Good teams always know when to say goodbye to a player who is post prime. Mediocre teams clutch their "star" players even tighter as they get older because how will they ever replace them? The 49ers traded Joe Montana and won two more Super Bowls. They let Ronnie Lott go at the age of 31 and won two more Super Bowls. The Patriots let Lawyer Milloy go at 29 and won two more Super Bowls without him. They let Ty Law go at 30 and went 38-10 over the next 3 years. The Steelers let Joey Porter go at 30 and Alan Faneca go at 31 and won the Super Bowl without them. Good teams understand what value to place on players at different points in their careers. You give good young players an opportunity and then sign them to a long term contract in their early prime at 26 or so. Then you let them go if they get out to 30 and are looking to get paid like they have 5 years left because most of them don't have that much time and they're not going to be remotely as good in the back years of the contract as they were in the first couple. The only exception for this rule is as QB and then only if you do not have a viable alternative to your aging star QB. QB is the only position that can singlehandedly cripple a team with mediocre play.
Rothlisberger did everything he could to lose that Super Bowl against Seatttle, He flat out stunk up the stadium that day. I didn't say anything bad about Brady, only that he was no sure fire first round pick, as you lumped him in as such with the likes of Roths and Manning. Yes, let's put in either Clemens or Ratliff like the Pats did with Brady and find out what we have. But your previous post flies in the face of that idea. Unless I'm mistaken, I'd say you are waffling here. Mangini was obvously calling ALL of the shots here. The entire coaching staff reportedly told Ryan they had no clue why Mangini would not let Clowney play. People still hate Sutton.... news flash: Sutton had no control. It was all Mangini.
The thing is that while we do shell out money on free agents, it is done to fill needs that could not be all filled through the draft. The perfect example is our Offensive line. We drafted Ferguson and Mangold and already had Moore. Then when the line underperformed instead of spending another year focusing on the line in the draft when the defense desperately needed help and some youth we went out and signed Faneca (who made ferguson a much better player) and Woody to an experience to the line and the line becomes one of the better ones in the league. The poor drafting was done during Herm and Bradway since Tanny has come in Ferguson, Mangold, Revis, Harris, Keller, Gholston (to early to tell). The article was made to create some stir and while parts of it is true, the philosophy of building a team is different from that of the skins
I and others have been stating why we think this article is poor. He doesn't mention the good draft picks Tannenbaum has made, and how many of those picks are part of an important core. He also makes it seem like draft picks are the end all of everything, but Tannenbaum has creatively used the picks to get young talent and also somehow finds a way to stockpile them in trades. Like the Clemens trade in 2006. He traded down to get him, got a 2nd, then used that 2nd to get Thomas Jones and ANOTHER 2nd. Where's the praise for that? He's also been able to prevent us from going into salary cap hell by getting veterans to restructure their deals. We've been players in free agency two years in a row and we haven't signed anyone yet who hasn't lived up to their contract. All you do is criticize him as if he's another Terry Bradway, but he's clearly a lot better. You're not willing to give him a chance because he worked under TB. That is not right. Open your eyes and see the good that has Tannenbaum has done instead of just being another guy who helps make Gary Myers rich.
You just can't get over your obsession with Tannenbaum trading up for Darrelle Revis because you don't think shutdown CB's are that valuable. You said you should only trade up for a Front 7 player and then build around that position because they are harder to find than CB's. Well guess what? Our Front 7 currently has David Harris, Kris Jenkins, Bart Scott, and Calvin Pace. You'll never forgive him for a move that he owes no apologies for.
Rothlisberger got them to the SB and while he had a terrible day, before the end of the half he made the biggest play of the game a play that only he makes that turned the game to Pittsburgh. By the way it was Tannenbaum who was the first to state there would be a QB comp last year and the Jets are taking the same position this year. A QB comp is an admission we don't have a QB who management believes in and yet it was Tannenbaum who wanted Shotty back. Why because Shotty knows the QB and should be able to make the call but still we look like we are going to have a QB comp. Not a good sign if that's what happens.
Yeah just a flat out dumb point considering that some of our best players we drafted, teams do not just draft great players all the time. Yeah the Giants have been good and there more recent draft classes have paid off big time and if it happens for the Jets great but in the meanwhile our FA are just fine thank you very much
lets see 150 million dollars divided by 5 wins (no playoffs) = 30 million per win and a mid 1st round pick. Ya money well spent.
Great points. I would like to start with the "consistency" now that we have a good CS in place. We have a great core of young players that i think will keep us competitive for years to come. I think Rex built himself an allstar Cs. Schotty has to prove that Mangini was an albatross and really show he can run this offense to each players strengths. We all know Leon needs to touch the ball more but we also need to find ways to get the ball to Keller.Him and Leon will be our biggest playmakers barring a top flight reciever is signed. Clowney is the wildcard. If he turns out to be half as good as the flashes he's shown we're in great shape. Stuckey is pretty sure handed and Cotch is a playmaker, also. Westhoff always has ST playing great. Callahan is a very good coach and Pettine should be pretty good since Ryan will be calling the plays and both have been working together for a few years. Cavenaugh has got his work cut out for him if it's between Clemens/Ratliff. If either one shines, look for him to start getting a "buzz" for a HC position in the near future. I'm excited!! I'm hopeful!! I'm a "bright sider"!!!
The biggest reason for success in any organization independent of draft picks and free agents is coaching. Not necessarily the intellect of the head coach, but rather the establishment of a consistent philosophy and regimen. The Colts have it, the Pats have it, the Steelers have it, the Giants have it. All these teams have different approaches to how to build a team, but the bottom line is they kept their system in place. Just think the Giants were a thought away from firing Coughlin and introducing a whole new system. Instead they stuck with him despite his failures and consistency won out. That is the key to winning - you can have great drafts, but if you do not have a reliable consistent system it ain't happening. The Jets have now established a regimen that will be here for a long time.
Read this in the morning. This guy is a Giants dick rider and will hate on anything the jets do kind of like his douchebag counterpart peter king. We are mainly built through the draft from different years its just the spots we need to fill we've added the depth through free agency and someone tell this asshole Pace, Jenkins and faneca all worked out pretty good last season.
