Look....We're not alleging that you're *gasp* Bashing Warner or anything but the tone of your posts suggests that you've got a problem with him. Maybe you don't like it when he mentions Jesus or something? :smile:
Okay....I've got to ask another question here. Why does everyone here despise Warner's Jesus-Worship? It's not like he's on TV telling people to go to church or something. Does everyone here hate Jesus or something? C'mon.
I think you'll find the vast majority on here don't take issue with it. There are some who for whatever reason don't like it. I'm not one of those people. I can think of worse things a man could believe in. I have a problem with the guy who has 3 kids form 3 different married and is married but has been cheating getting up there and saying "I wanna thank God for making this all possible" . My thinking is I'm sure he's looking kindly on your infidelity. Lets be honest, Tommy freaking Lee wins a grammy and gets up on stage and thanks God. You may not find this funny but just once I wanna see somebody after winning a Super Bowl or Oscar or something like that grab the mic and say "Um I wanna thank Satan for making all this possible" . Could you believe how the morality police would take that? It'd be a great few moments in TV history.
Kurt and Brenda Warner have 5 kids of their own, and Brenda had two previous to their marriage. Don't know where you got the three diff marriages thing from.
It's not hate for Jesus it's hate for Warner for being such a tool about his faith. If all these athletes are going to praise god for their success, how about laying a little blame at the almighty's feet when they fail?
I don't assume to speak for KW or anyone who thanks God for their good fortune. However, I think you might be looking at things out of perspective. WE thank God for making the good things happen for us, and to us not because God was answering our prayers and not the other guys, but because in his infinite wisdom, he saw fit to bless us with good grace or fortune at this time for this moment. God's plan does not have to ever show us favor individually, so it is with humble gratitude that we give God the praise. Conversely, when our prayers are seemingly not answered at this time in this moment, it is not a fault of our almighty, but still part of his grand plan for us all!! It therefore means that my individual success was delayed this time to further advance Gods plan. I therefore am disappointed, but still faithful that although I thought this was my time, God has something equally great or even greater in store for me. NO BLAME NEEDED..
I'm not a beliver myself but I do respect people who have spiritual faith. I do find something less than spiritual about people who are into prayer for tangibles. I understand thanking god for the opportunity that life affords us. I don't understand thanking god for our victories but not our losses? The opportunity that life affords us gives us plenty of opportunities for both victory and defeat all the time. If you have faith, that opportunity I would think is what the praise is for, not the victory. I find it somewhat hypocritical that there is praise for victory and silence for defeat when the opportunity for either is always present.
what you call opportunity, or coincidence is what some of us call Gods work. God has made it clear that we are to come to him in prayer asking for the things that we want and need. This is just like your kids, they come asking for a lot if things, usually they get only some of these things. The praise is similar to the thanks your child gives when he gets that Nintendo DS that he'd been asking for. There is no real reason for your child to start bad mouthing you to your face when you say no to their request because they know that you still hold the cards and can grant that request later. They will however slink off in despair and disappointment. It is the same way with our God. Our opportunity can come at anytime, we just need to be prepared, and when we get the successes, we are overjoyed because we know that God did not have to bless us specifically it could have been anyone but he chose me!!
Jesus freak or not Warner is a great QB and that's all that matters in terms of assessing his Hall of Fame potential. There are very few players in NFL history who could pick a mediocre team up on their back and carry them to the Super Bowl. Warner is one of those.
This thread certainly went in an interesting direction. Respecting faith is one thing but I have a hard time respecting religious psychos like Warner. Just watch this clip, the smug judgement, the absolute assurance that only his way is right and no one elses. These kinds of fanatics scare me. [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G21sLGSgYCo[/youtube]
I agree with what you're saying. I don't consider myself particularly religious but I certainly believe in something greater than myself. I'm cool with people having different religious views as long as they aren't condescending and judgmental. Kurt's beliefs might be judgmental as far as the whole 'heaven and hell' issue is concerned, but he isn't condescending or preachy. He sounds like he's just trying to be a good person and share a belief that has helped him stay on a righteous path. I don't really understand where hatred towards him comes from. As far as thanking God, the way I see it, every man is his own and not everyone will be able to succeed in life - that's just the way it is. Most people have the opportunities, but they don't know how to take advantage of them, whether it's how they're raised, how they're naturally disposed, or whatever. To have everything come together for YOU personally and what you experience as a result of the success you've found is something that goes beyond your personal being. I think that people aren't just 'blessed' with physically, mentally, genetically, etc ability, they're blessed with the insight to make the best of what they've been given. Failure is a part of life, it happens to everyone at one point or another, so to me, blaming God for your failures is misguided and fruitless. Not everyone is able to find success and happiness in their lives, however, so if they are then they should damn-well be thankful for it.
Well, he believes that his family and friends are going to hell. And rather than being good people and going to a different chuch than he belongs to he wishes that they didn't believe in god so it would be easier to him to brainwash them into his way of thinking. Not seeing a whole lot of good in the equation.
I was just pointing out that Montana was successful before he had Rice and Taylor. In fact Montana was 4th in the league in passing in 1981 and 2nd in 1984. Both years he didn't have Rice and Taylor.
He had Bill Walsh who designed the perfect O for his talents in a league that had not seen that before and didn't know how to defend it. Montana was a great great QB but people act like he carried those teams totally and was the best ever. I think he is in the argument of greatest ever but he had great teams around him and maybe the best Offensive coach in football history who designed an O that fit him perfectly.
