Patrick Ramsey has an absolute cannon. I'd much rather see what he can do this season than draft a qb on day 1. We are in a great position draft wise and should use this opportunity to address our other needs. If Ramsey turns out to be trash (which I highly doubt), we will most likely have a top 10 pick next season and can address the QB situation at that time. I'd love to see Chad come back and play at a high level again, truth is I just don't see it happening. I'm also not buying into the Favre/ Cutler comparisons. Not until he does something Favre esqe on an NFL level. Oh I almost forgot....Welcome aboard.
Thanks for the welcome, ECF... Yeah, Ramsey has a cannon, but he has also had 2 nfl coaches give up on him, the last getting rid of him for cheap!!! Something aint right here. He is probably more of a Browning Nagel than a Brett Farve. (Man, could Nagel throw that ball... beautiful). I hope I'm wrong, but I guess we'll see in TC.
I guess what I am saying is, we need a qb. I know alot of people on this board disagree, but let's be realistic: Penny: If qbs were measured in heart, he would win every SB. Unfortunately, after 2 shoulder surgeries, he is ivory soap done. Ramsey: As stated above, unconvinced. And he is only signed through next season. Brooks: Again, alot of heart, but he is not going to lead us to the promised land. So unless Ramsey is a miracle man (unlikely), we need a qb of the future. In the Northeast, we need a strong armed QB, who is a pocket passer but can move in the pocket to buy time. Of the big 3: Cutler: fits the bill. Lienart: Good second choice, but weaker arm. Also seems like a prema dona (sp?). Upside, has success in a nfl offensive system. Young: not an nfl qb. IMHO
Just talking with Steve Serby of the Post who says the Jets have no interest in Leinart. "If he was still there at 29, they wouldn't take him."
Really!!! That's interesting! Is Steve usually accurate, or does he make crap up? Do you think he really has a connected source?
Well, I wouldn't count Spurrier as an NFL coach. And if you look at the numbers, Ramsey did surprisingly well under him. Also, IMO Gibbs never had any intention on developing Ramsey. When he benched PR for Brunell, Ramsey actually put up better numbers come season's end. I think Gibbs came in and wanted a Vet under center from the beginning. He was not about to go through "growing pains" with a young QB. If the team didn't improve (even in the slightest) in Joe's first season, the media could say "The game has passed Joe by". Now that everyone's forgotten about good ol' Steve, Gibbs can afford to develop a young QB (Jason Campbell) without having his legacy questioned. I think Ramsey will finally get the tutalige he needs under Schottenheimer. Will he answer our questins at QB? Who knows? But IMO he's got just as good a shot (possibly a better one based on the fact that he knows the speed of the game) as anyone coming out of the draft.
You make some good points... I just worry about pinning our hopes on other teams cast offs. I'm willing to be wrong though.
What are you talking about? Brian Schottenheimer was over for donuts and coffee yesterday and he told me their top 10 players.
Adding my thoughts in support of your argument: Everyone knows that the difficulty in evaluating a QB's talent is that it's difficult to separate the player from the coaching, the scheme, and his supporting cast. We all know it...but then it's easily forgotten when we make judgments. It's difficult enough to accruately grade a QB at the pro level and doubly difficult to do it at the college level and then try to project that talent to the pros. With free agency, you will find QBs each year with three and four years experience becoming available. One or two of them could be capable of leading a good team to the Super Bowl. If you pick one who fails, you waste a year. If you pick a QB out of the draft, he needs a couple of years to get up to speed before you can even evaluate him fairly. If Chad can't come back or if Ramsey can't cut it, try Schuab, or someone else with NFL experience, next year. Meanwhile, build the supporting cast and refine your offensive scheme. Ramsey doesn't need young Shotty to teach him how to play QB in the NFL. He needs the kind of support that any pocket passer needs: a smart scheme against the NFL's pressure defenses, an O line that can pass protect, unpredictable play calling, and a receiving corps that can get open and catch the football.
i wonder how Cutler's dinner went with Woddy, Mangini and Tannenbaum. from what i read, in the workout, they simulated some tough situations to gauge where he's at physically and mentally. unfortunately, they haven't leaked any opinions on him... which i dont mind; i like the tight-lipped regime we've transformed into. also, we're supposed to be checking out Kellen Clemens - from Oregon - this week. this kid may be a R3 sleeper (though some say he's projected as a R2 pick; i don't think i'd take him that high). he can make any throw and seems to see the field well. furthermore, he's pretty quick. the only flags are his height (only 6'1) and he broke his ankle in 2005. actually, i don't think that injury is such a big deal anymore, but his height is far below ideal. it'll be interesting to see our evaluations of him. cheers
and here's the skinny on Clemens from Scouts INC 6'1, 224. 4.75 forty. Strengths: Has adequate bulk and is well-built. Has trimmed down and has noticeably improved his speed and quickness. Gets set quickly. Is able to scramble and seems most comfortable on the run. Has a strong arm. Gets good RPM's on the deep out route. Can fit the ball into tight spots and can make all the throws in the NFL. Has good vision and some elusiveness as a runner. Is quicker than fast. He throws well on the run. He has adequate mechanics. A quick and high release. Will follow through. Does a good job of getting his shoulder's square when throwing on the run. Has just decent arm strength but gets rid of the ball quickly and has good accuracy in the short-to-intermediate zones. Shows touch and timing underneath. He's a high-energy QB and a vocal leader. Plays the game hard and has continued to improve. Is competitive and tough. Weaknesses: Durability is a minor concern after season-ending ankle injury in 2005. Has decent size but lacks ideal height. Is impatient as a pocket passer. Seems to have some trouble finding passing windows. Is inconsistent on the deep ball. Does not show great touch or timing on vertical routes. Needs to get more air under his deep throws. Is an inconsistent performer. Needs to learn to step up in the pocket. Good leader and hard-worker but can be a bit too excitable at times. Poise and patience should come with maturity. Overall: Clemens played sparingly as a freshman in 2002 but he has been a fulltime starter since his sophomore season in 2003. As a junior in 2004, Clemens completed 59.9-percent of his attempts for 2,548 yards with 22 TDs and 10 INTs. He also rushed for 190 yards and four TDs. Clemens was having his best season as a senior in 2005 before suffering a season-ending ankle injury versus Washington. In eight games prior to the injury, Clemens completed 64-percent of his attempts for 2,406 yards with 19 TDs and four INTs. He also rushed for 228 yards on 69 carries. Clemens has flown under the radar for much of his collegiate career because of his team's struggles and a system that did not fit his skills.
Clemens sounds interesting, but if we are going to go with a 6'1" qb, I'd just as soon go with Brooks.
Oh I agree. Ramsey doesn't need ANYONE to teach him how to play QB in the NFL. However, never underestimate the importance of good coaching. When I say Ramsey was never properly developed, I mean there are little things he does here and there that can be corrected (EX: Holding onto the ball too long). Ramsey definately knows the game. My point was I hope Schotty's coaching can help elevate him to the next level.
Don't know his source, was definitely not the FO. There's a difference between what the Post wants him to write and what he thinks. We'll see on draft day when the Jets go on the clock and Leinart is sitting there.
