Is it the Players, or the Coach?

Its guys like Ray Lewis getting them motivated in from the lockerroom to the field. and truth is, we dont have anyone that brings half the intensity that he brings on sundays.

 

It's both. We still have a lot of good players and quite a few who play with intensity, but we also have a lot of scrubs. If we had better players and player depth, I'm pretty sure the good players we have now would play with a lot more confidence. With the lack of talent in certain areas, good coaching and drive would have helped but we didn't appear to have a head coach or dc who inspired or motivated players in such a way. Unoriginal and predictable play-calling hurts too.

 

You know thats a very good questions and I asked myself is it the coaching or the players. Well the players get paid to play but this does not mean they have that animal behavor on the field. The more I think about it we do need a leader and someone who will bring fire to this team. Someone who when the ofense takes the field our defence and this player puts the fear of GOD into them and that we do not have. Can a coach bring that out in a player/players,,, I am not sure. But what we have right now is not working and at this point I ready to try anything different then what we have.

 

the coach finds players with a similar mindset, so its a combination.

 

Well with the 17th pick in this years draft maybe should find somone who can bring that fear cause VG did not pan out to well, Although this could have been a coaches fault. If a QB falls out way I say take him but if not then we should look for someone who can one day be a leader on this team.

 

I'm with you 100% on that - a good HC will find those players and they will want to play for him. Who knows what FA's a coach such as Ryan would attract to the Jets!

 

Bingo!

Its the Coaches and the players. To set all the praise or blame on one or the other is silly.

That is not the nature of humans though. We need someone to point at so they can be the reason for all the problems on the team or whatever it is we want to bitch about.

So for 2009 My offical scapegoat for all the Jets problems will be James Dearth. Off with his head!

 

Can anyone say Mike Singletary

 

Our D was like that mid-season as well.....they had a legit swagger when we were winning 5 in a row and the run defense was 4th overall and we were getting 4 or 5 sacks per game.

If you want to know whether it the players or the coach, just ask yourself why the same crew that won 5 in a row and beat Tennessee was so easily exploited by "bad" teams and we were unable to adapt.

The players have to do what they are told....so all they can do is the best they can in the system laid out.... If you put Dale Earnheardt Jr. in a Honda Civic and consistently finished in last, would you blame his driving?

 

it's the coach no doubt.teams take the personality of the coach and mangini has the personality of a wet towel.he preached level headed play acting the same after a win or a loss.football dosen't work like that you need emotion.bring in a coach that shows emotion(ryan) and you will see the team do the same.

 

Can anyone say Mike Singletary. I'd look out for SF next year. This is an example of what a good coach will be. Attitude, determination, aggressiveness. He set the tone by kicking Vern Davis off the field, showing his shit stains, but putting his group in positions to be successfull. This is what we need. First the coach has to be respected, then have fire that extends outward where players will reflect him, and let the best players play period. If you look at baltimore they only draft kick ass players with mentalities set when they step in the door. Not this nice guys bullshit. They have a culture there. Bottom line "I'LL KNOCK YOU THE FUCK OUT". OZZIE NEWSOME PLAID THAT WAY AND HE SET THE TONE FROM THE TOP.

I hope one day we can have that "REAL JERSEY/NEW YORK" I'll bust your shit attitude. The GIANTS have it. That's why they win. We need football players. WE have a few but the fire does not spread through the team. Revis, Davis, Jenkins, Barton, leon, Jones, LC, Cotch, Mangold, Woody, Faneca, even Kellen Clemens has an agressive attitude (Just needs a good coach to give him a chance and not judge a handfull of games. I'm still supporting him because I like his style. if we keep looking for the one hit wonder we'll never be stable. Ride with him it will pay off.). When we get a coach that can build around these guys, and will slap his momma, we'll be true winners (I truely miss Donnie Defense). If MT and WJ really cared about winning they would understand this important lesson. Humilty is a discipline, not a disgrace. The most successfull people and organizations have two formulas that have not changed since the beginning of man. A vision/plan, and the very best people to carry out that plan. They know how to put the peices together and don't try to fit in where there experience doesn't allow them to. The only vision NYJ's have is filling the psls. Filling the seats does not equate to winning. But winning will equate to filling the seats. WE have a media that is tougher than the NYJ team they cover. Can't wait for the day when a reporter shakes in his boots interviewing the NYJ's out of fear of being beat up for asking the wrong or even the right question.

Oh. Put this on record. Talk about agressivness. I'm betting on the battle of the birds in the super bowl.

Ravens vs Cards

 

Ray Lewis is a leader on the ravens. He is def responsible for firing up their defense every game. The Jets need an emotional leader like that on our team. Unfortunately for us that type of leader comes around once in a blue moon, so don't expect our 17th pick to get us someone like that. The best we can do is hope to acquire more talent and a coach that knows how to use our talent. We had that 5 game winning stretch this year, which was great while it lasted. But sustaining that play is extremely difficult. Team leaders tend to influence younger players and even veterans who aren't used to winning (ala Shaun stoner Ellis) to continue to play with intensity and passion.

I want a Ray Lewis leader type on this jets team. I bet we'd all be really surprised at how this team turns around with an intense leader like Ray.

Honestly Baltimore is looking really scary now. With that defense, now Flacco. Too bad I didn't grow up in Maryland. But I will never defect. I love our poo-putt jets and our belligerent ways. We will always suck until miraculously someone comes around and changes the culture here. In the NFL, you never know, maybe next year is our year, or maybe not.

 

I don't know if you remember 2004, but that was a season when, with the simple addition of Donnie Henderson (and to a lesser extent, our rookie standout Jonathan Vilma), our previously complacent, docile personnel turned into one of the nastier units in the league.

No, they weren't quite at the level of the Ravens or Titans, but Henderson certainly instilled that kind of attitude in them. Even the most laid-back guys like Shaun Ellis and DeWayne Robertson were driving through the ball carrier and punishing them...


I think the addition of a top-notch defensive coordinator can make all the difference in transforming a talented but somewhat soft D, into one people fear playing.

 

If it's the players then it's the coach.

If you think otherwise then please explain your reasoning.

 

One could also argue , if it is the Players then it's the GM.

 

Name a few instances where a good coach was hampered by a bad GM? I really can't think of too many. Generally a bad GM will hire a bad coach, that's kind of the way it works.

I don't think, BTW, that Tannenbaum is a bad GM or that Mangini was a bad coach. I just don't think either of them adds (added) much, if anything, to the Jet's chances to become a great franchise. They're both hackers who are going to have trouble making par most of the time. The NFL is dominated by very smart people in the front office who also understand how talent and organization come together to form an overwhelming whole. It's dominated by coaches who are either brilliant technocrats (Belichik, Walsh), fierce tribal leaders (Parcells, Coughlin) or somewhere in between (Dungy, Cowher). A coach has to have an outstanding attribute somewhere in there to succeed at the highest levels and without that they will generally fail to oblivion.