Semantics. Maybe I used the wrong term. He's there for one season and everyone knows that's the deal. It's a win-win situation. 1) The Jets get to maintain a level of continuity within the organization. 2) The players work for a coach they know and respect. 3) Westhoff gets to do something that maybe he's always wanted to do but hasn't been able to because of his health. Knowing it's only for a year and with his health being pretty good right now he may just like the idea. 4) Cowhers coordinators come in and start the transition to Cowher. Why would the players have nothing to play for? This makes no sense. Why would it reveal the front office as inept? It wouldn't be conceding a season. That's your assumption but I don't see how it makes sense.
He doesn't have to be fired. He can be offered his job as ST coach back or he can retire. Like I said, regardless of how he does Cowher is the coach next season. At his age, he or the organization cannot expect multiple years of HC grind out of him. The fact that it's only a 1 year deal is the only way it makes sense for a man his age.
It wouldn't be too bad of an idea, as long as you don't demote Westhoff back to ST Coach. Talk about a shot to the gut from an organization he's dedicated to. There would have to be a clause that allows Westhoff to be Cowhers Asst. HC if he produces atleast an 11-5 Record... Damn I should be a GM.
I see it more as being creative to land a great head coach than being desperate. If Woody feels Cowher is the man for the job, why not take a creative approach to land him? If he backs out? That's a risk I'm willing to take. By signing on to the deal Cowher is saying he's interested. He seems like a pretty loyal guy. He's not going to put his coordinators in a spot that he plans on backing out of. If he backed out it would look stupid.
it's defenitly "creative"..i'll give you that. my big fear would be that Cowher would back out this time next season...especially if Wade Phillips is fired next year, and Uncle Jerry makes his way down to Cowher's house with his deep pockets. If Cowher wants to coach...and he wanted to coach here....this would be a done deal. It's not...we need to move on.
if he's the head coach, and you relieve him of his duties of head coach, that's getting fired as head coach. are you seriously suggesting those would be two legitimate options to a guy who just had (for the sake of argument) a successful coaching season? but, again, you dodge the question, how do you think the players would respond to that? I'm not talking about the players, I'm talking about the front office. when you say you don't care how the team performs this season, you're getting a new coach either way, that reveals a significant lack of ability to run a football club. if the Jets went 13-3 and made the Super Bowl, they would have to replace a coach that got them to the Super Bowl. that is just an asinine scenario, and you are advocating it like it is a win-win. no, it isn't. players would revolt, the team front office would look brain dead, and we would be the laughing stock. the only way this could be a success is if the team does poorly, so the suggestion inherently concedes the season.
My opinion is that we wouldn't have to worry about a backout with a guy like Cowher, but obviously there would be terms in the contract to get '09 money back if he backed out in 2010. He promised his family he wouldn't coach until 2010. That's why he's not coaching this year.
if that's the case...maybe we should've suffered with Mangini for another year. Although, with our luck, Mangini would've guided us to the playoffs and garnered another contract. Damn Cowher and his family promises...selfish bastard
It's not getting fired if it's predetermined that after the '09 season he either moves back to ST coordinator or if he wants, retires. How do you figure that's getting fired if that's the deal you offer him? Yes I am. He's too old to coach for a long period of time. I haven't dodged anything. You have yet to explain why the players would quit in this situation. I think the players would play the season to win. They're professional football players. Why would they give up because they know Westhoff is gone the following year and Cowher is in? Just because a head coach is there for one year it doesn't mean you don't care how the team performs. I fail to see how saying a head coach is there for one season means you don't care how the team performs. Also, remember the coordinators in place are Cowhers and in addition to trying to win games will be evaluating talent. Do you remember when the Cowboys let Jimmy Johnson go? Didn't they win a superbowl the following year? It's not as ridiculous as you are suggesting.
ukilledkenny, I noticed your schpeel about Cotchery increasing his yards per year, 25 yards or more for 13 plays, and Moss had 12....now his QB is Brett Favre. HOW'S THAT WORKING OUT FOR YA????
fuck that dude ...we need to stabilize our coaching personnel and it needs to happen this year..im not waiting a whole other year to become good again
I never said the players would quit. you can't make things up and attribute them to me just to dispute them. and nobody is saying that the team may not win the Super Bowl immediately with Cohwer. but you are still dodging the question (making up things to dispute doesn't prevent you from addressing this question) if the Jets are succesful with Westhoff do you how do you think they would respond to him being fired in favor of an unproven (with them) commodity? you can't answer the question because it would reveal all the flaws inherent in this suggestion which you are so focused on defending.
Why do you think Westhoff wouldn't do a good job? Having Cowher's coordinators would help stabilize the staff a bit. It's not ideal knowing the HC will change, but having the same coordinators helps a lot.
I haven't dodged anything. You asked me: I answered this. Also, by asking it you're kind of implying that they will respond negatively by not playing to win. I disagree with that implication. I answered this too. And I've already answered the question you're asking me this time. First HE IS NOT GETTING FIRED. How many times do I have to explain this? I've also said that I don't think the players have a problem with that situation given the fact that they already know Cowher is the coach next year. Please stop telling me I'm "dodging the question". I've answered every question you've asked. It seems like you're just outraged that I've made this suggestion and you want to take shots at me. I understand you disagree, but stop telling me I'm dodging shit.
MY GOSH!! Cowher is a good coach not a great coach, can people stop bowing down to him.. He was the steelers coach for 15 years, you know how many brutal playoff losses he had where he was a big favorite?? Steelers are doing just fine with Tomlin who will be there for a very long time.. That franchise is just a very stable franchise to do well in..
