Yes. I agree. You give a 3rd yr. head coach the boot? Mangini was a scapegoat for too many other mistakes. Favre is getting too easy of a pass. This guy shouldn't be allowed to play anymore. He was too big a part of this collapse. I'm so sick of Tannenbaum too. What does this guy know about football? What about the owner? He's a joker. He doesn't care if the Jets win. He only wants sales to be up. They already seem to have blown it with Cower. It doesn't matter who comes in now anyway. I'm convinced that I will forever watch the Jets in vain. God bless Thomas Jones. Him and a lot of other Jet players are gonna just be happy making a lot of money with this joker.
The JETS were desperate and wanted a coach who came from the BB/Parcells staff. Woody was looking for a quick fix in all the wrong places.
It could have something to do with logic and reason. You get caught up in all this hype and you desperately need to point your finger at someone, why not, Mangini? Then people start to let their emotions come back to reality, then, only then, do they realize that maybe Mangini actually did do some things right for this team, and maybe he really didn't deserve to get fired. I could go into the many reasons on why I believe this, but, I'm way to tired. I was part of the 5% that actually thought he deserved to stay. How much you want to bet we get an absolute scrub in here far worse then the last three coaches we have had here? I'd put my money on it.
All of you Mangini supporters need to get with the program. The truth is that he was one of the WORST coaches in Jets' history. Woody Johnson and Tannenbaum made a mistake by avoiding the harsh truth in their press conference when they fired Mangini. But the truth about this loser (if you care about such things), is being revealed in our local newspapers... Eric Mangini lost this team two seasons ago, and never really won them back. To wit: "The scheme was too vanilla against Seattle," one player said. I think the coaches just thought we were going to win by just showing up." --New York Daily News In the end, Favre contributed to the late-season slide with none interceptions and only two touchdown passes in the final five games. That doomed Mangini, but the third-year coach also hurt himself with questionable decisions and coaching practices throughout the season, according to several players who spoke to the Daily News on the condition of anonymity. --Rich Cimini, NY Daily News, 12/30/2008 THough most players weren't crying ver Mangini's dismissal, they were not dancing about it either. "Had this been two years ago I would say probably guys would have been relieved more than anything," tight end Chris Baker said... Mangini's popularity grew this year, but no one would say he was beloved by players. --Brian Costello, New York Post. So how many of you want Mangini bnack, if it is true that his players didn't want to play for him anymore?
17 interceptions from Favre came from throwing up the sidelines. Wide left QB Rating 44.4 to the right 102.4 Middle of the field 99.3 to the left 90.5 Wide right again 60.3 Of those 17 picks, 15 were 20 yards or longer. Question: With that kind of information available and has been the trend all year, Why continue to call those same kind of routes? That is coaching and play design. It doesn't take a New York lawyer or even a Philadelphia one to figure out what the problem on offense was.
and who was too retarded to learn the playbook even at the end of the season? Who need everything simplified and spoonfed to him? Oh wait, that's the QB.
NO! ABSOLUTLY NO!!!!!!!!!! I won't have that shmuck come back here just because you think he is a winner. He is an idiot who prepared this team to get ready for the Dolphins when his opponent infront of him was the Seahawks. I will not even entertain the thought of him coming back when he should've been ready for the game that was infront of him. I can care less what you think if he was a winner or not, he may have given in to the pressure he was facing. But the first cardinal sin in the NFL was looking past your opponent that's infront of you. He shouldn't have done that and now he is paying the price for his incompetence. He is done. It's over. We are moving on to a coach that won't do the stupid things like this.
Chris Baker is going to be your argument? Really? Worst coach in Jets history? Really? I'm tired of arguing points, so I wont, but I think that you are WAY off base with your arguement. Crazy talk right there, just crazy.
Of course the standard of the replacement is relevant, in any situation. If there's nobody better available then, by definition, you are the best option. If you can't upgrade, there's no point in making the change. I don't understand why you're having difficulty seeing that.
Amen. I ignored a lot of questionable things earlier in the season, but just couldn't support Mangini any more after the two fourth down calls (mostly the second, 4th Q one, but pairing it with the one in the 1st Q is what makes it seem really odd) and the decision not to rekick. Plus stir in a few shotgun formations on 3rd and short, when you have TJ and Leon. It was almost like "we're gonna fight you with one hand tied behind our back." I just didn't get any of it, the decisions almost seemed random, like they were flipping coins.
These are some really interesting stats. Where did you get them from? I had an inkling that this was the case, but didn't realize anyone had actually calculated it. I wonder if Favre had a hard time adjusting from the big aggressive receivers he had in GB to the bread & butter ones he had here. Favre would throw it up into coverage along sidelines all the time and trust them (Jennings, Jones mostly) to climb whatever peak necessary to get it, or at least keep it out of the other teams' hands. It just wasn't happening here -- mostly due to Favre perhaps, but it also had to do with receivers with different strengths than those he's had lately. I (like you I see) wonder why coaches & Favre kept trying this?
I wasn't terribly upset with the decision to let go of Mangini. I think he deserves part of the blame for the late-season collapse (though I think much more of the blame rests with Favre). But I would have a hard time calling him one of the worst coaches in Jets history. Kotite was light years' more incompetent than Mangini. I would say Herm, Coslet, Walton were far worse. Even Lou Holtz was awful as the Jets coach.
None of your quotes suggest players didn't want to play for Mangini any more. None. Yes, some questioned his decisions on the field, but this will always be the case. No, you have shown nothing to support your argument. The truth is, Mangini gave everything to this team. You saw the reports of him working 16 hour days. It is very important to have a coach this dedicated. He took Jets job even when his long time mentor advised against it. He blew the whistle on Belichik when Belichik decided to cheat against the Jets, which probably forever severed their relationship. And the practices he brought to Jets organization of calling players to his office for poor performance, etc..., where the ones that Belichik and Parcells used. The thing is, Mangini was a part of that winning Parcells/Belichik program, a big part of it, and he wanted to turn the Jets around and instill the same philosophy. This is exactly what this team needed. What he lacked was experience. And that will come. We had youngest coach in the League, and we could have maintained stability for years to come with Mangini, a stability from someone from Parcells/Belichik school of thought. Check out his career with the Jets: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/f...the_daily_news_looks_back_at_eric_mangin.html The guy did everything for the Jets, and he turned around 4-12 team into 9-7 team, it's not like he stunk every year. It's not his falut Woody dumped #2 rated QB this year and MVP runner-up, for old QB who led the league in interceptions. He is just a scapegoat, and that's why you see guys like Cowher not wanting to even talk to Jets organization. We need some stability more than anything right now. That, and a decent QB (turns out we had more than decent QB all along, but Woody went for a big old name instead) Instead, with Woody it's the same old Jets. We as fans deserver better.
I don't like people blowing smoke out of their behind without supporting data. Let's look at the facts. Here are the Jets coaches: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_New_York_Jets_head_coaches Mangini's record is clearly worse than Parcells, but he is up there with the other coaches. Except he was a lot younger than these, and had more potential to improve with experience. Certainly nowhere near worst in history.
