Ya, Mangone called Favre out for throwing a pick and Quizzed Favre on the playbook and he threw a fit. Send him packing too unless he has an adjustment in attitude.
Favre looked liked he didnt care. Im Brett Favre -- if i want to throw a 60 yard punt into octupile (?) coverage -- you can kiss my Canton Bust.
Guys, Favre won't be back next year; I really doubt it.. We are getting a new coach and if the coach coming in has any brains whatsoever he just says, "Thank you, Brett" and let's it go at that. The first year is almost always a free-pass. Why would nay new coach want to put there hopes on an old QB when he knows the clock is very, very short and Favre threw the most Ints of any QB in the regular season and is up there with the most Int guilty in all of Jets history. Sorry; bye-bye Brett; he's gone; it's over!!!!!!!
Don't bet on that. If we pick up Parcells or Cowher they might well want to make a run with Favre and Favre might want to make a run with them?
I don't doubt this story. I also don't doubt that many other players probably disliked playing for Mangini. We spent a lot of money in the offseason & brought in a lot of veterans. I don't doubt that Mangini's overbearing, controlling, paranoia coaching style didn't sit well with these guys. My biggest fears when we hired Mangini came to fruition. It's always the fear you have with a really young coach. He couldn't get any qualified coach to taking the OC & DC position, and he didn't have the respect of veteran players. It's never a good thing when, as a head coach, your players & coaches have more NFL experience than you do.
I loved the fact that Mangini is a diciplinarian rather than a players coach but with veteran players in order to be a tough coach they have to buy in totally and Mangini had nothing to buy into.
I love disciplinarian coaches as well. However, just about everyone on this team had more experience than Mangini & Rottenheimer. They don't have the resume that commands the respect of the veterans, and as soon as things don't work, things blow up.
Favre is too big for the team. Mangini put himself down to Favre's level when he named his kid after him. You have to be a leader or an admirer, not both. Favre should be treated like anyone else and called out like anyone else. If that was going to be an issue we should have known it before he came in and avoided him. Face it, this team quit on Mangini. I never saw them quit on him in the 2 other seasons. It makes me wonder that if the information in this thread is accurate, that Favre played a large role in turning the team against Mangini.
It's no secret I'm a Favre homeboy, and that's ultimately why I'm here. Brett had a bad year. Or rather a bad half year. I don't know what happened, perhaps he was hurt, but it was really odd that he had a ~100 passer rating through the first 10 games or so, and then in the remaining ones he never got much above 60. If he is hurt, he probably will retire. And he probably should retire. So all of this may be academic. I envisioned being a Jets fan beyond this year even if Favre wasn't back. I had started to really "get attached" to other players on the team, in particular Leon who I actually anticipated watching more than Favre. And I may still be. But I think if I do, I'm gonna have to stop stopping in here. There is too much BS. I know it's an internet chatboard and all, I shouldn't take it seriously, but still, that doesn't change that a lot of what's being said here is misinformed and stupid. Here's the deal, which no one here is going to change for me: I've watched Favre's entire career, almost every game from his very first one in a Packer uniform. I've seen him try to move heaven and earth to try to win games for his team, throwing his own personal stats to the wind if he sees even a slim chance that the sacrifice will bring a W. You lot who've just watched him this year, you seem to feel you've got him figured out that he's the opposite, that it's all about him, that he's protecting his own image at the expense of the team. I don't know how you can reconcile him agreeing to be traded to the 4-12 Jets if that's the way he really is, but ... whatever. I'm not gonna convince you, and you are sure as hell not gonna convince me, I know 1,000 times more about this player than you do. The thing we all agree on, he played badly after the Tennessee game. Where we differ is that you all seem to think he WANTED to play that way, and/or didn't CARE that he did. Really? Did you watch any of his postgame conferences? Did you really think he was not bothered with how he was playing? If you do I don't know how you came to that conclusion. And how you think you can learn more about this guy in one month than others have in 17 years. I knew dimly before this year that the Jets have the reputation as a "cursed" team. What I didn't know then, but I may now, is how and why they got that. I see two things. One, that there is a measurable minority of fans that actually ENJOY being miserable, being losers. So they actually BUILD UP the "mystique of the curse." It was amazing that some of these people actually disappeared from this board at the "peak" of the season, the 2.5 weeks that the Jets beat the Pats and then the Titans. The second thing I saw is, that the fans and media are vicious when players fail. I remember hearing when Eli Manning came into the league, how the fact that he was drafted by Giants was going to make it harder for him to succeed. I remember seeing an interview with Favre 5 or more years ago where he talked about how he thought his success and longevity in the league was partly due to dumb luck, and he specifically stated he meant the fact that the Jets were not able to trade up to draft him, he said that if he had to play in the New York media market as a young kid, he didn't think he would have been able to take the pressure, that the stability and patient appreciation he got in Green Bay his first couple years was incalculably valuable to his success. He had the space to make mistakes, but still be around to learn from them. I don't think I ever understood what all that meant until now. I know none of this really applies to today, he is older and wiser and much more suited to handle all the pressure, and he failed to deliver for the Jets this year -- yes, there is no doubt he failed -- for different reasons, what those reasons exactly were has to await the MRI perhaps, but ... I still see the forces that would have crushed a younger Favre. And may have damaged Clemens, and will probably crush the new young Brett, Raitliff, as he goes through the inevitable growing pains of a QB. I come from a fan base that does not get so giddy and irrationally euphoric when a player does well (I mean, seriously, WTF were all those "should the Jets retire #4?" threads at midseason? I decided to not post to any of them, and eventually not even read them, but I was definitely LMAO whenever I saw things like that in the list) ... but also does not turn on a dime and viciously attack them when they fail, insulting them with inane accusations like I just read in this thread (he quit, he doesn't care, he supposedly was playing poorly because that was what he wanted, instead of playing to win? WTF?). I just don't think I can ever understand this "bipolar fandom" you seem to have here. So I think, whatever comes next, I'll have to step away from the "fan experience" part of things (this board) and just pay attention to the football. The former really detracts from the latter. When things are going well, the irrational exuberance is amusing, but when they're not, it's downright sad to read what people are thinking here. I'm not under any illusion that the people I am mainly addressing here could care less I feel this way. In fact, I actually suspect they will be secretly happy. I remember when we were 8-3 and the sky was the limit for this team, there were actually threads saying stuff like "if we do win it all, it will still suck because Favre will probably get all the credit and not the Jets." Just the fact it was stated that way said a lot, for you who said that, Favre would never be part of the Jets, even if he won a ring with them. You wanted your heroes all to yourself, you didn't want to share them with another team, some of you clearly even prefer to lose, than to win under those circumstances. I don't know what to say, but that I just don't get that. The Green Bay Superbowl win was greatly made possible by Reggie White coming to Green Bay, an acquisition greatly comparable to Favre coming to the Jets, in the amount of hype surrounding it. But Reggie was welcomed, warmly embraced by the community (heck we even made contributions to rebuild his church when it burned down), we didn't obsess that the "Philadelphia Eagle" was given so much credit for getting THAT team which had gone three decades without a superbowl over the top. We didn't care whether he'd want to go into the hall as an Eagle or Packer. We just welcomed him, and made him feel at home, just like any other football player who'd proven himself already. But, now I'm rambling as much as Brett has been in his latest press conferences. I guess it's just because I'm as much mystified about how New York football fandom works as he is. I guess the only way to succinctly close this thought off is ... whatever it is you want, I hope you get it.
You cannot blame his shoulder from some of those atrocious throws he made. For example, was that pick six on the screen pass due to his shoulder? Are the overthrows due to his shoulder? If he cannot make the throws anymore, he should have approached the staff and said so. I liked Brett in his career. Just didn't like him as a Jet. The turnovers are just too much. Bad situation for all parties involved. And it ended horribly. A few bright spots, but they were soon overrun by a terrible finish.
I'm a die-hard Jets fan, and could not have summed up this situation up any better. Particularly the part about the "measurable minority of fans that actually ENJOY being miserable". Thanks for the great post.
That is the thing that is laughable, people acted like Brett was rescuing us when we have been one of the better AFC teams this entire decade. They acted like we were the '96 Jets when he took opver when we were 10-6 just 2 years ago and w/ the moves we made 10+ wins was definitely achievable long before the Favre rumors even started. Don't pretend to know what Jet fans think, we want to win and that's it. if Brett led us to a SB we all would have been doing cartwheels even those of us that could see through the hype and realized this move wasn't in our best interests this year. I don't care who the QB is, I just want to win and I think 99% of Jet fans would agree w/ me.
No one dislikes Favre more than me and I agree. That doesn't mean we can't be critical when stupid moves don't work out.
