As much as anyone reading this thread or all the threads in the chat room. I want to win before I die. I am 47 and have been following this team since I was 14. I cant wait for next seasons anymore. If its not working then change it is my motto now. The two OC and DC should both be released. I AM STILL ON THE FENSE with Mangini. I am willing to give him one more year to see if he learned ANYTHING from this year. OR I HAVE to say if ---- IF a better coach is availible and is willing to come here then Mangini should go.
He should be fired just for the fact his team lost to Oak,sf,seattle,struggled against cinn,buff,kc. This is the eastiest schedule. Not running the ball against seattle he should have been fired right after the game and made to walk home. How many games did they have the ball on the 40 or closer and he's punted with the ball winding up in the endzone. Next years schedule is brutal if we cant bet or struggle with loser teams we'll be lucky too win 1 game next year with the improvement in our division
I haven't read ANY of the posts to fire Eric.....We need to keep him. Who do you want in here? Don't run any of these former assistants in here or any of those damn retreads. Keep Mangini - we have to have some stability here - KEEP THE MANGENIOUS!
Quote: "...It is pretty clear to me EM lacks the fire necessary to win. The punt after Feely's null and void 45 yd field goal was a terrible call. There have been many this season. Just like with Herm, the first move will be to change coordinators. Then there will be no excuses...." You only see what he wants the rest of the NFL to see in the press room and from the sideline. How do you know what his demeanor is with the players? The answer is you don't. You are just complaining about not getting entertained appropriately by the HC as he goes through the process of managing the game on the sideline. Look at Dungy. Figure it out. Just because Feely made that 45 yard field goal doesn't mean that he wouldn't slip and miss the 50 yard field goal. The NYJs have been losing games mainly because of field position. Sutton is Mangini's conduit for the defense to the players -- he's been here through three different regimes. It is true that we need somebody on the sidelines to light a fire under the asses of the defensive players. I thought that was what Bryan Cox was here to do, among other things. There would be no move on Sutton unless somebody comes free that Mangini really is willing to delegate the defense to -- like Romeo for instance. If this coaching staff grows and gets better with these players, there may or not be personnel changes. Instant gratification is not a realistic expectation for football. I suggest you might be happier playing Madden than watching the actual NYJs.
Wrong -- Give him the Coughlin Last Year I think Mangini certainly deserves to come back. But perhaps he should earn his extension with the next year of improvement. Like a guy named Coughlin had to do.
A coach is only as good as his braintrust. Stop comparing Coughlin to Mangini. Coughlin has his franchise QB and made the playoffs every year except for his and Mannings 1st year there in 2004. He rebuilt that team... and who was is DC for 2004-2006??? Tim Lewis. In 2007 he got the great Steven Spagnuolo. Now look at that defense. See the difference? Oh, who was Coughlin's OC from 04-06???? Gilbride??? NOPE. It was a man named John Hufnagel, and they sucked with him too. Outcoached was the phrase of that team right? well, changes were made. Coughlin not only made adjustments to his staff, but his own mannerisms in one offseason. He went from the annoying strict dictator to a fair and just man who cared about his players. It did wonders for the morale of the team. Mangini needs to take a similar approach, more fire, more care, less stoicism, he is more stoic than Belichick. Its not helping anything. If Mangini can get rid of both coordinators and find his own Gilbride and Spagnuolo, and become more of a firey guy that can motivate his players on his own, then he too can be a good coach. But it will come with adjustments, something he isn't very good at :sad:. So Mangini and Coughlin aren't alike, yet anyway. They can be if the changes are made in Mangini's 4th year the same way Coughlin did. So right now its not the same. So get it out of your head. Should he be fired due to the december collapse? Well, two lines of thought - yes is one. The other, which my own emotions won't even believe at the present moment due to the collapse, but do believe when I am level headed, is that he needs a braintrust change like Coughlin did. He is guaranteed 09 - so he will be back next year unless the Fins beat us by a 35 pt blowout. That may prompt people to be fired, and I mean everyone. I think 09 will be the last year, but its going to have to be a different braintrust, and a different mannered mangini. If those changes are made and are successful, he gets another 3 years. But 09 will have to be a 7-11 win season, depending on the QB. 2-6 wins will not be tolerated. So all in all my friends, this collapse will push Mangini towards the door, but not out. If the regime has the same people, especially Sutton, I will lead the charge to get this regime out of the building. But if there are coordinators coming in that are damn good at what they do, then Mangini and the new braintrust have a shot.
great post, ND but for Mangini to change...he has to be "willing" to make those changes. In your defense though, if Coughlin can change, I guess anybody can....but i think Mangini either is too stubborn or has a huge ego (the ole "something to prove" to his daddy in NWE). If Mangini was dynamic and open to change....he would've made the necessary adjustments in those games we lost recently..... just a few random thoughts, dude. I could be totally wrong.
I think your totally right. Hes unwilling to change. he has a HUGE ego, he think hes Belicheck. hes not open to change. If he was he would have, like you said... And we wouldn't have to listen to his awful press conference stock piled with excuses as to why the game plan didnt work, but the game plan was correct.. hes a JOKE
Belicheck would go for it on Fourth and goal against the Seahawks with the season on the line. Belicheck would dumb down the playbook to suit Farves stregnth and not try to have him ball control our season away. Farve is a Downfield Qb not a ball control one. Belicheck would have drafted the best Lb in this years draft and not this years workout warrior Gholston who can not even get in the game on obvious pass rushing situations where he does not have to think about coverage when all he has to do is go get the Qb on our team with a non existant pass rush. My bad Belicheck did laugh and draft the best Lb in the draft when we let him slip down to him yet again! Belicheck let Cassal play to win the last time we played them and he came back and Mangini has one of the greatest Qb's in the game and he asks him to ball control like Chad instead of destroying other teams. He has turned our Lion into a sheep like him and it is time for him to Go! MESSAGE TO WOODY! HAND COWER A BLANK CHECK!!!!!
We have come out Flat again??? do the few of you who have tried defend Mangini , want to reconsider now?????
I say one more year and we need to replace both OC and DC and if that dosnt work then Mangini is next to go, Plain and simple. He has the weapons and he needs the right coaches to use them correctly. If thats not the case then after next year we start all over.
After we lose today, hes gonna be gone... The team has quit on him, its obvious.. We really need a change.. Its over for this loser
"After we lost today..."? Remind me not to be in a foxhole with you guys... Why the defeatist attitude? The game ain't over yet...
There is a case for EM to be fired. Why would we want to make a case for hiim to stay? He just does not make the necessay adjustment during the game. We can't run the ball with consistency. Our passing game is lacking a deep threat. The defensive can't stop the opponent on 3 down. The players seem to thinking instead of play to their athletic abilities. Need I continue.
yes. mangini should be fired or killed sometime within the week. clean sweep of the entire crew except for westhoff and maybe callahan
Well, the fact that next year he's a lame duck coach, I would say yes, based on the debacle of the last 5 weeks...
Some of you don't understand that a win total doesn't mean hes done good. To go 1-4 to inferior opponents is inexcusable.
