*sigh*, the point being that about 90% of the passes in his career were short passes. He didn't just chuck it deep all the time, and he never (as a long time GB fan), had a spectacular deep ball. When you saw him go deep, most of the time, and it was good was either an outstanding play by the WR, Because Favre scrambled for his life and the DB's got lost, or plane and simple the WR had like 5-8 yards on the DB. Sure, he has thrown some nice balls in his career downfield, and yeah he has always seemed to be able to throw it a mile... However, his MVP/Superbowl seasons were done with a classic west coast offense: Short passes, running outside, and throwing screens. Seriously, the fact Leon doesn't get two screen passes a game baffles me. It's only worked all season long when they actually do call it. Yeah, he made some plays out of nothing, and sure he had a deep strike in the SB, but, again, when the WR is that open it's just pitch and catch time. Big difference when you don't know your wr's tendecies (except that coles apparently should not be your main option in a must get first down situation) and they lack the route running/speed to get open. I like cotchery a lot though. Just need something to compliment him with. ALSO: He was a big user of the TE's in that era. Unfrotunately, his best pass catching TE, is not seeing the field nearly as much with Bubba back, and Baker around. Sad, really. I think Keller should just be in all times cept when he needs the rest. It's an extra weapon.
Hey Pennington has performed great in Miami but I also think its the system. Favre doesn't have the benefit of Miami's system. If someone can prove me wrong fine. But I watched the Miami/KC game. I didn't watch the entire game, so I might have missed some plays but I only saw ONE pass where he threw it over 10-15 yards (which was the second Miami TD). All the other plays were short pass and the WR's or TE made something out of it. We've seen the with that Jets that short pass game doesn't work for whatever reason because Mangini is a retard. But would Chad have been as successful running it here in NY, I doubt it - it hasn't worked wonders before. But what do I know. Its anyone's guess whether THIS year would have been THE year where Chad would have thrived in that kind of offense in NY and we would have gone far in the playoffs. Overall we took a risk with Favre. If the Dolphins don't make the playoffs either. Who cares, Pennington and the Jets are in the same posiiton.
There are some strange things written about Pennington in this thread. Bear in mind, even before Camarillo got hurt, the Dolphins had one of the worst group of WRs in football. Ginn is a burner who runs inaccurate routes -- the last thing a QB like Pennington needs. Bess was undrafted. Camarillo was undrafted. If you think Pennington would rather be throwing to Ginn and Bess than Coles and Cotchery, you're nuts. As for the TEs, Fasano was a backup at Dallas last year. Martin is foremost a blocker. So, the idea that "Pennington has receivers that are perfect for him" is crap. He's made those receivers work for him. Of course Pennington threw short against the Chiefs last week. It was 10 degrees and windy as hell. But he hasn't been doing that all year. That's why he averages more per pass and more per catch than Favre does.
I'd take Chad over Brett any day of the week, I'm glad Chad is now playing in a place where he's appreciated. Can't wait to see Chad knock the Jets out of the playoffs and win the AFC East for the Dolphins.
I always thought the buck stops here referred to the quarter back play? I have nothing against Farve , but have been witness to the one thing that was my problem when Farve came to the Jets. The wing and a prayer throws. Now in this last game he threw a low ball that Coles dropped (It was at his thighs) and then at the end he put it in there but the defender knocked it out(nice play). Pretty much a fifty fifty in terms of his fault or others fault. The across his body heave into double coverage is the wing and a prayer throw that I'm talking about. In years past there would be the dump off , but no ones there anymore. Brett Farve has seen this situation before and has come through I believe it will be another one of those moments that will define his career; either a Tired Namath as a rams moment or a Joe Montana as Chief moment. Wait both of those ended in failure.......Oh god!
Seriously, I always wonder who the true jets fans are. True jets fans, really true fans of any team, would want there team to win and try to get into the playoffs. As last year showed, as years before that, all you have to do is get in, and ANYTHING can happen.
I couldn't agree with you more. The misconception that Brett Favre has been all about the deep ball his career is simply fans feeding into the media hype/highlights. Anybody who is a Packer fan, or even watched the Packers play a few games last year knows that Favre has been all about manipulating DB's and LB's on the underneath throws. The short dump offs to recievers underneath, while not even giving them a look throughout the developement of the play is alot of what Favre is known for. He's a mastermind of tricking the Defense. Yeah, he's got a strong arm, and has thrown some nice deep passes in his career. But so has Cutler, Manning, Warner, Brady, Rodgers, Cassel, Rivers, and Hasselback. We didn't bring Favre here to throw the deep ball, these people couldn't be further from the truth. We brought him here to win games, that's all. I really didn't want to turn this thread into a Favre vs. Pennington thread, but I'm much more comfortable with Favre leading this team than Pennington. I said it before and I'll say it again. It's the responsibility of the coaching staff to adjust to the ability of the quarterback.
I didn't say he's been playing great. I said he's our best QB since Namath. There are other QB's who statistically have "Played" better throughout the season. What he's accomplished, and what he brings to the table make him our best QB from a paper standpoint since Namath. Going into season statistics is a completely different thread.
I don't know what you're trying to say. Do you mean if we had the Favre of ten years ago he'd be the best QB since Namath? Or are you saying we should bring Joe Montana out of retirement for a year so he could become the best QB since Namath? The facts are, this year, he has in no way played as the best Jets QB since Joe.
The past accomplishments of a 39 year old QB mean nothing this year. Who cares what Favre did in the 90's???? Name recognition and past accomplishments may sell jerseys ( or PSLs), but as we have seen, they don't translate to present success. Len Dawson is still alive. If we put him at QB he would be the best Jet QB since Namath also. Should we make that move next? Or maybe we should trot Namath back out there. That would make him the best Jet QB since Namath also.
In Favre's worst 7 games this year he has 4 td's and 13 picks. Six of those games were loses. We can blame the coach or the horrible pass rush if you want but the bottom line is that Favre is the main reason we have six losses.
That a bit much. I personally have watch leads squandered by an atrousious defense that is gassed in the third quarter of a season and a secondary that is not very good , no matter what stat you throw up. also The defensive scheme has been officially undressed by better coached teams. Farve the reason ? No! Farve the new scapegoat? ....Probably!
So are you a Packers fan first and foremost, or a Jets fan first and foremost? Based on your screenname... hmmm.
I'd like to refer to the three sentences here...Brett has worked out with some high school kids. Let's compare that with the efforts he made in 2007. That gas tank was never full...I'd love to see him come back, but only with full preparation...And give him kind of deep threat then, LC once was... Miami's CS was able to adjust, the Jets not. Gameplanning, the Playbook, all goes to Miami. The Jets made Brett Favre a less precise Pennington.
At 3pm (or 4pm ET), the Jets and Dolphins may very well hold their own respective destiny. I have bashed Favre on this board the entire wk because frankly I have been sick of his gameplay. But I also realize that even if he was 50, we might still be able to turn any game around.
