Next year we need to address this issue. A lot of people are saying that Favre has to be judged on this year alone and "we don't care what he's done in the past". Which is the right view IMO. BUT then why do Cotchery, Coles and Baker, etc. get such a pass on this board? They have been terrible this year. That drop by Cotchery on 4th down against the Broncos. That drop by Coles on 4th down on the last play against the Seahawks. That drop by Coles against the Bills that then bounced off his foot and was INT'd. Those three are hard catches to make, sure. But if your a NFL WR and especially your teams #1 or #2 (and you ran your mouth about how you should be the focal point of the offense) - you should make those catches. You need that WR that is going to make great catches, Jennings was that for Favre in GB, Moss for Brady, Wayne for Manning, etc. Then there was that drop by Coles on 2nd down before the INT against the Seahawks. That drop by Franks against the Seahawks late. That time Chris Baker fell on his own two feet in OT when Favre through him a perfect strike. Those are EASY catches. I think the WR's and TE's probably have a toast every night about Favre coming to town because it has completely taken the focus off their crapiness. YES, I know Favre underthrew some guys in Seattle and he is at fault for that but then people should be accountable for their drops too and lack of seperation (some of that is on the coaching staff to be more creative). But these guys have gotten a complete pass all season. Sure you might have some camera angle that the rest of us don't have or been there live but commentators usually say how the WR's are not getting any seperation and dropping catchable balls. But hardly anyone ever points to this stuff on the board - its always all Favre's fault. It always falls on Favre's lap - which is fine, Favre is the "big" name and the HOF, so he can shoulder the blame. I'm sure Favre doesn't care either way, so let's pile on Favre, who cares. But IMO these are not good signs for our future, post-Favre. What to do?
We need a big play WR. If Boldin is available I'd be all for trading a 1st for him and dumping Coles off somewhere. Or trade Coles and a 2nd for Boldin. Cotchery is not flashy or anything but he is still a legit #2 receiver and I think Boldin could be the legit #1 we've been looking for since Keyshawn left. I f***** hate Coles. Drops passes, slowing down, whiney, huge contract. He's a waste and a cancer.
I love Boldin but the only problem I see is that he is almost an identical type of receiver as Cotchery, just a better verson. We really need that homerun deep threat.
if baker doesnt fall down on that play he has plenty of running room to get into FG range and we have a 30-40 yard FG to win the game. but you cant break down losses to one drop or one play.
Yes, we know the jets have a ton of needs. Including, in my mind, also a new HC. Seriously, does it look like Magini is inspiring anyone? He never seems to get excited, or upset. I mean, seriously. However, your again dismissing the WR/TE corps. If you recall, they have had bad drops in bad places all season long, and the OP pointed this out. Ironically, some of them have come with the game on the line, when like it or not, it sure seems favre is a crap ton more accurate when the game gets tight with little time left. I mean, look at that 4th and 2. He was off all day long, then suddenly on 4th and 2 he throws an absolute beauty of a ball when arguablly, no one else was open, and he supposedly threw it to the best WR option on the team. What happened? A drop. Meh, it's a concern guys. You don't have a real go to threat at WR. TE could be ok with Keller, but is he ever going to see the field consistently. When the jets were winnin g, he was always in. Now, not so much.
Coles has to go. Im sorry but its time. I love LC but its time to replace him with a tall WR that can stretch the field. If the Jets can do that then IMO the WR/TE posistions would be complete. You would have. Cotchery, Tall WR, Stuckey, Smith, Clowney, Wright at WR and then you would have Baker starting at TE while using Keller heavily and creating mismatches with him. Get rid of Coles and maybe Bubba Franks as well. Once again I only pick on Coles because he is the oldest and makes the most money so I think it would benefit the Jets the most from a financial stand point if both parties parted ways.
Almost identical? Boldin is bigger, much stronger, a better blocker, has better hands, is much more difficult to bring down, has a higher vertical leap, boxes out defenders better than any NFL receiver and is consistently among the leading NFL players (if not the top player) in yards after the catch (YAC). Other than the fact that Cotch was born with 11 fingers, I'd say they're exactly alike as players....:wink: Boldin is a unique player as far as wideouts go. On one hand he's not very fast (4.7 40) but on the other hand, he's elusive and the speed and abruptness with which he makes his cuts is truly exceptional whether one judges him by WR or RB standards. He is incredibly athletic and physically more powerful than most if not all current NFL WRs. Cotchery is an excellent wideout and more of a possession man but he is not in the same league as Boldin. Due to his slow 40 times, Boldin, was originally thought of by scouts as not much more than a decent possession receiver prospect. Its ironic then (as well as a testament to his unique skills and abilities) that Boldin, while slower than Cotch, is much more of a deep threat.
I just find this all pretty funny actually. A little ironic to be honest. In years past, whenever a WR would drop a pass, or not be able to haul in an off-target throw from Chad, or even Kellen, it was immediately "our QB's suck, the WR's are fine". But as soon as we get Favre, and the same things happen, throws are high, behind the receivers, wobbly, etc., it's immediately ALL the WR's fault. That's not right. Some of Favre's passes have been horrible, and he should be held accountable, but that's not the case. Because he's Favre, he gets a pass on criticism, and everyone else gets all the blame? Again, that's not right at all.
The TE's are fine. We could use a True #1 wideout, but thats going to cost. If we have a shot at a top QB or top WR in the draft, I'm going for the QB.
I don't think you read the post in detail. I'm not blaming the WR's for everything. I SAID Favre underthrew and had a bad season. But IMO the WR's have not been that great and are living off their past reputation. I'm NOT blaming the season on them, their part of the blame though, along with Favre, the coaching, the playcalling, the pass defense, etc. This has nothing to do with Favre, its looking to the future. Those passes are hard passes but WR's have been catching Favre passes like that in the cold and snow of Lambeau field. If you want to bitch and cry about how the offense is not running through you, you make catches like those. If your holding Favre accountable, shouldn't you hold the WRs accountable too?
Cotchery and Keller are fine, as are Stuckey and Clowney for the #3 and #4 WR. Add Leon Washington as a good receiving RB and we're looking pretty good. I think it's the lack of a true #1 that makes it tough. Coles is a #2 WR at best (39th in the NFL). His age and history of concussions makes him a prime trade candidate this off season. Better to trade a year early than a year late.
This thread is nuts!!! Cotchery has made incredible plays all year. In fact, without those two unbelievable catches against the Pats on that one drive in the first half, the Jets don't win that game. Those catches were all Cotchery and not Favre. Favre has thrown far more bad passes than the receivers have drops. And Keller has been a real find this year. Every receiver has drops. The Jet receivers are not the issue when compared to the poor QB play, the lack of a pass rush, the soft secondary coverage, the horrible play calling etc.
I still don't know what a #1 WR is or what that term means. It is a ridiculous term. It is a function of the team, the QB, the system, and the personnel. Who is the Giants #1 WR??????? Tennessee's????? Pittsburgh's?????? Those are the best three teams in the NFL right now.
Last time I checked they have awesome coaching and GREAT defenses. Which we clearly don't. You don't need a great offense when you have a defense like that. We have a defense that gave up over 100 yards to Maurice Morris and 5 backup OL-man and is ranked 29th in the league in pass defense.
I never said they were identical in talent, I said in type of receiver they are. They both are possesion receivers, and its obvious that Boldin is much better.
Cotchery has still dropped only 1 pass all season and yes it was big. I can't get on him but I can get on Coles. I'd get rid of Coles and sign Boldin. I don't think Boldin has Steve Smith type speed but he is a bit faster then Cotchery but most importantly he gets in the end zone.
One More Week I just decided I have one more week as an optimist....I have to stick out the season with the same mindset....I will believe in this team with utter disregard one more time....And then I have up the sunglasses.... One More Week Guys.... Stick it out and believe...If it doesn't work out and the playoff door is slammed shut then we can all wallow in misery...but lets at least enjoy the fact that we are still alive and have hope....
